Brighton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[eric woolban woolban]

I hope we sign the Brighton lad who came on as a sub, Cashin.
Purely so we can sub him on for our right back.
That's Cashin, Cash out.

[VillaTim]

I have looked and looked and looked at Jacob Ramsay‘s incredible dive in their penalty area. I mean, for fuck‘s sake what does a person have to do to get a penalty. It was just so blatant a penalty. I’m glad it did not cost us.

what reason was given for not giving it, did the defender get a slight touch on the ball ?

[Somniloquism]

I have looked and looked and looked at Jacob Ramsay‘s incredible dive in their penalty area. I mean, for fuck‘s sake what does a person have to do to get a penalty. It was just so blatant a penalty. I’m glad it did not cost us.

what reason was given for not giving it, did the defender get a slight touch on the ball ?

I believe the VAR twitter thing stated "not enough contact".

Edit:

The referee’s call of no penalty to Aston Villa following a challenge by Hinshelwood on Ramsey was checked and confirmed by VAR – with the contact deemed not to reach the threshold for a foul.

[Dave]

Obviously they're all terribly middle-class and reasonable, so maybe it's no surprise but the Brighton forum I read last night was weirdly magnanimous and balanced. In a way I don't think many would be at the end of a 3-0 home defeat in which play and chances were fairly balanced.

I mean, look at this:

Never ever is Mitomas a penalty. He's looking for it and goes down so easily. I love him but that’s not a penalty.

The Ramsey one was a penalty, Hinshelwood clearly catches him. 99 times out of a hundred that’s given.

The Villa handball was wasn’t a handball. It was by his side and he made no move towards the ball.

The Mitoma one is the only really subjective one. It’s a definite handball, it was below the shirt line. Every pundit I have seen says that’s a handball but it feels tough.

We did not lose this game because of referees. If anything we benefited from the biggest mistake they made.

I agreed with most of the penalty decisions. I don’t think Mitoma was pushed - it looked like he lent across the front of the Villa player and then fell over.

Hinshelwood’s one I thought was a penalty, but perhaps one of those that isn’t clear enough to change the on field decision.

Villa defender’s arm was in a natural position and was ball to hand. Although as it travelled a reasonable distance I wondered if we might get it.

Mitoma actively used his arm to control the ball, so handball.

You could make a case for some of the above to be given the other way but none were clear enough to be upset about.

[LeeB]

I have looked and looked and looked at Jacob Ramsay‘s incredible dive in their penalty area. I mean, for fuck‘s sake what does a person have to do to get a penalty. It was just so blatant a penalty. I’m glad it did not cost us.

what reason was given for not giving it, did the defender get a slight touch on the ball ?

I believe the VAR twitter thing stated "not enough contact".

Edit:

The referee’s call of no penalty to Aston Villa following a challenge by Hinshelwood on Ramsey was checked and confirmed by VAR – with the contact deemed not to reach the threshold for a foul.

That's the most ludicrous excuse they could have given.

[VillaTim]

I have looked and looked and looked at Jacob Ramsay‘s incredible dive in their penalty area. I mean, for fuck‘s sake what does a person have to do to get a penalty. It was just so blatant a penalty. I’m glad it did not cost us.

what reason was given for not giving it, did the defender get a slight touch on the ball ?

I believe the VAR twitter thing stated "not enough contact".

Edit:

The referee’s call of no penalty to Aston Villa following a challenge by Hinshelwood on Ramsey was checked and confirmed by VAR – with the contact deemed not to reach the threshold for a foul.

they've got that wrong then, there was plenty of contact

[PeterWithesShin]

As much as I don't rate Attwell you can't always blame the ref for not giving a pen if he isn't absolutely sure. That's where VAR comes in, it's meant to assist them in getting major decisions right. VAR should have either given the pen or sent him to the screen.

[Somniloquism]

The decision on Tarkowski was:.

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The referee’s call of yellow card for a reckless foul by Tarkowski was checked by the VAR, with contact on the follow through after Tarkowski had played the ball deemed to be reckless.

So they decided it was only reckless as well.....

[olaftab]

Brontey
I like your posts, but Rogers 4 !!!!
He had an anonymous 1st half, but did you miss that two of his passes led to two goals ?

Yes but what did he do other than setting up two goals?😂

[LeeB]

The decision on Tarkowski was:.

Premier League Match Centre

@PLMatchCentre
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16h
#LIVEVE – 11’

The referee’s call of yellow card for a reckless foul by Tarkowski was checked by the VAR, with contact on the follow through after Tarkowski had played the ball deemed to be reckless.

So they decided it was only reckless as well.....

It was a terrible decision on it's own, but also in the context that it's exactly the kind of challenge that football has more or less rid itself of in the last 20 years through positve changes, and not punishing that undermines it.

Also, you can count on one hand the players still making tackles like that and the player involved is probably the poster boy. That should be taken into consideration, if you want to stamp something out bloody punish the repeat offenders.

[JUAN PABLO]

As much as I don't rate Attwell you can't always blame the ref for not giving a pen if he isn't absolutely sure. That's where VAR comes in, it's meant to assist them in getting major decisions right. VAR should have either given the pen or sent him to the screen.

spot on.

[VillaTim]

I'm not sure how the ref missed it he had a perfect view of it

[brontebilly]

I'm not sure how the ref missed it he had a perfect view of it

Exactly he bottled the penalty as for me he realised he might have to give a red aswell.

The VAR has to do its job and pull the referee up. Threshold for a foul is just more nonsense giving the refs an out for more bad decisions. That's a blatant foul, anywhere else on pitch and Atwell gives the free kick.

Shame for Ramsey as it's excellent play. Realises his marker has just been booked and under pressure, brilliant footwork to tempt him into a tackle in the box, clear foul.

[VillaTim]

yeah this new term "threshold for a foul" just sounds like another massive cop out option to let them justify making it up as they go along

[SamTheMouse]

I think the problem is that it's become a hot potato. Neither the on-field referee nor the VAR seem to want to take responsibility for making a decision, so they end up letting stuff go.