Spurs v Villa Post Match Thread.

[brontebilly]

How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?

Doesn't count on Percy's stat list as we had let one in when Cash went off. But Konsa was rubbish yet again when he went in RB defensively and offensively. All pace went out of the centre when Carlos went in there too, one mistake and we are done.

Cash has become far too injury prone, that's a worry with Kosta still a bit off PL level. Interesting selection decisions in the CB spots over next few weeks, need to find a solid partnership.

[eamonn]

A lot is made about Postecoglu's half-time adjustments ("the best I've ever seen" according to Joseph Hart). Emery and his staff would surely have expected Spurs to go for the throat from the off, I think it was expecting a lot for the defence and Onana to double their efforts for the second half.

McGinn's arse-turns weren't working in the first half and he has no pace to give us an outlet on the right, Bailey or Philogene should arguably have come on at that point.

[VillaTim]

Missing Moreno much more than Luiz. Didn’t give Moreno long enough to come back from his injury.

Should have kept him and spent the Maatsen money on a top notch right back

good shout that

[Villan82]

I've got a feeling this season will be the opposite of last season, so up to Christmas so-so, after Christmas kick on. .....hopefully.

Yes, on reflection that seems a fair shout. If we can get to maybe 32-33 points by game 19 we'd be right in the hunt.

[PaulWinch again]

Missing Moreno much more than Luiz. Didn’t give Moreno long enough to come back from his injury.

Should have kept him and spent the Maatsen money on a top notch right back

Nope, that makes absolutely zero sense.

[Villan82]

Missing Moreno much more than Luiz. Didn’t give Moreno long enough to come back from his injury.

Should have kept him and spent the Maatsen money on a top notch right back

Excellent shout. I miss all those 'cut back' goals that came via Moreno down the left.

[Beard82]

short memories on here, Luiz was pretty poor after xmas and was in and out for 2 years until Unai rocked up. Tielemans is an infinite upgrade on Luiz he just had a bad day at the office today, they all did .

TBF for about 6 months he was the best mf Ive seen in my lifetime for villa - and I think that was a big part of why we were so good during that spell

[PaulWinch again]

Also Tielemans and Luiz are different players. If Tielemans gets to the level Doug did in the first half of last season he’ll have done exceptionally well.

[Ads]

A player that made 11 starts? Righto.

[Beard82]

Missing Moreno much more than Luiz. Didn’t give Moreno long enough to come back from his injury.

Should have kept him and spent the Maatsen money on a top notch right back

Nope, that makes absolutely zero sense.

At the moment Maatsen seems an odd signing given what limited cash we had - I think its one for the future + digne's been excellent.

[remy]

Gutted.
The sacrifice of the League cup leaves a bit of a bad taste that we got beaten 4-1.
First half Spuds were booed off and we were great.
SUE must have talked a plan for the 2nd and staggered subs / formation to win the game.
He didn’t count on us conceding within 4mins!
The crowd then woke up and the ref then simply blew for a foul every time we broke as they chopped us down..
That and Watkins missing his usuals. Makes your teeth grind.
Can’t remember which Spud twat went in 2 footed but that should have been a red.
Watkins and Duran just didn’t gel but we didn’t know that.
Cash going off also unbalanced us a bit.
Just can’t see anything in Phil. Is he trying too hard ? Is he out of his depth?
Bailey is just a passenger and nowhere near last season’s form which means we have reduced attacking options.
Pau had a bad game. It happens.
Kept giving it away in midfield 2nd half.
Maddison always scores against us so that was inevitable.
I think (based upon our current form) we’ll get a draw against Brugge and another loss against 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
Regroup and hopefully get the win against Palace at home to kick on the rest of the year.

[VillaTim]

Also Tielemans and Luiz are different players. If Tielemans gets to the level Doug did in the first half of last season he’ll have done exceptionally well.

Tielemans is already miles ahead , his CV is proof enough

[pauliewalnuts]

I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball.  Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.

I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat

You alone knew the value of Luiz.  If only everyone had your insight, and if the club is reading, you know who to put in charge of future transfer policy.

I suppose they should just close down the forum. None of us should dare have an opinion on the club we support. Let's leave everything to the club

Exactly. Well said 👏

It's just that you're going on and on endlessly making largely the same point.

You then go on so long, you start to contradict yourself. "Palace was this season's Moscow" or whatever it was, followed by how Unai needs to "manage his squad", failing to see the conflict between those two statements.

It's just endless and after about 2 uninterrupted hours of it, it starts to get people reacting because it just drags everyone down.

Yes yes yes, we all get your point(s).

i keep having to mention moscow  asits getting mentioned over and over so i have to repeat the explanation of the comparison. 

I dont know what your actual point is this is a football forum to discuss the game? Ive made various different points today not the same that you are alluding to. Its just having a go . Im not trying to bring anyone down and not looking to argue with anyone either. Im just deeply disappointed how things are going.

There has been negativity and positively tonight. One win in 5 is not good, failing to keep clean sheets in the league is not good and as others have said we havent really started in the league so far. We were flying at this stage last season. Conceding four goals in one half is really bad.

The CL has been massively positive just wish we xould circulate to the league.

You said he needs to manage his squad.

He did this on Wednesday.

You didn't like it and started - ridiculously - going on about Moscow and today being Stoke. Which is absurd on two levels, at least.

You mean - Unai should manage his squad in the way that you would?

And yes, we're all fucking pissed off losing to these twats, but it's one match in a season of 38. We have been beaten 4 at home to these in Unai's time, and even by Leicester IIRC.

We're sixth or wherever, and top of the Champions League, and we're only 9 matches into the season.

[pauliewalnuts]

Villa spent months and months trying to get Luiz to sign another deal, and he didn't want to.

[PaulWinch again]

Also Tielemans and Luiz are different players. If Tielemans gets to the level Doug did in the first half of last season he’ll have done exceptionally well.

Tielemans is already miles ahead , his CV is proof enough

Not really, as I say he hasn’t performed like Luiz did for the first half of last year.