Fulham vs Aston Villa vs Bologna Pre-Match Thread

[OCD]

Fulham away is almost never a fixture we do well in, and they are on form.

Didn't we win there last season and a couple of seasons ago 3-0

I don't recall winning 3-0 there but yes we have had the odd win at their ground. That's why I used the word "almost".

Our record their is poor.

Apart from the Emery era we've been mostly shit for over a decade. We probably have a poor record at most away grounds.

[trinityoap]

Fulham is usually the real classic of a good away day spoiled only by Villa being crap.

[Sexual Ealing]

I'm making Bologna a grudge match because of all the hateful middle-class people I've met over the years, after a fortnight on holiday in Italy, who've told me that what we call spaghetti Bolognese doesn't actually exist in Italy, and that nobody drinks a cappuccino after 11am there. WHO CARES?! We have a tomatoey dish called spaghetti Bolognese, live with it. We put cream in a carbonara, fucking deal with it. And if someone is mental enough to want a coffee in the afternoon, let them fucking deal with it again.

No shade to actual Italians or Italy, but these English ponces can fuck off.

[trinityoap]

Come on SE. Time to get off the fence.

[dave.woodhall]

I'm making Bologna a grudge match because of all the hateful middle-class people I've met over the years, after a fortnight on holiday in Italy, who've told me that what we call spaghetti Bolognese doesn't actually exist in Italy, and that nobody drinks a cappuccino after 11am there. WHO CARES?! We have a tomatoey dish called spaghetti Bolognese, live with it. We put cream in a carbonara, fucking deal with it. And if someone is mental enough to want a coffee in the afternoon, let them fucking deal with it again.

No shade to actual Italians or Italy, but these English ponces can fuck off.

Vaffanculo.

[trinityoap]

Woodhall, if I didn't know you better I might even think we were being a teeny bit pretentious dear swearing in Italian.(Venomous response awaited and NO I will not accept the reverse charge phone call).

[VillaTim]

Fulham will probably have a good go at taking us on which should suit us down to the ground.

[Beard82]

I'm making Bologna a grudge match because of all the hateful middle-class people I've met over the years, after a fortnight on holiday in Italy, who've told me that what we call spaghetti Bolognese doesn't actually exist in Italy, and that nobody drinks a cappuccino after 11am there. WHO CARES?! We have a tomatoey dish called spaghetti Bolognese, live with it. We put cream in a carbonara, fucking deal with it. And if someone is mental enough to want a coffee in the afternoon, let them fucking deal with it again.

No shade to actual Italians or Italy, but these English ponces can fuck off.

I can get behind this - bored of hearing that you have tried proper ice cream til you have had it in Italy.  Maybe I just like Fabs. 

Hope we beat them in the Dolmio Derby

[papa lazarou]

I went to Bologna about 25 years ago, just for two days working. It's a lovely place but the overriding memory is that every woman was bloody gorgeous.

[Monty]

Gelato and ice cream are different to be fair, so people saying you haven't had 'proper ice cream' till you had it in Italy are literally wrong.

However, Bolognese sauce isn't tomatoey and carbonara is an egg sauce, it's just getting the name wrong, it's like making pepper steak without pepper or something, it's just the wrong name. Have cream if you like it and it's not carbonara and who cares about that? It's not pesto either, whatever.

(Should be noted Italians obviously do this too. They can't pronounce the word 'curry', which they think is the name of a spice powder, and call croissants 'brioches' when they obviously aren't. Scemi.)

The cappuccino thing though, there's some evidence that Italians and other southern types don't actually digest milk very well, so they don't feel well if they have a lot of it too close to a meal (they definitely have it in the afternoon - it's just not with or after a meal, makes them poorly). You're a hardy, heart-of-oak Germano-Celt though, so have as much milk as you want.

[Ads]

Isn't Italian food history a load of made up stuff, so according to cultural Italian history supremo, John Dickie.

[85kota]

Croissant in Italian is cornetto.

[VILLA MOLE]

I'm making Bologna a grudge match because of all the hateful middle-class people I've met over the years, after a fortnight on holiday in Italy, who've told me that what we call spaghetti Bolognese doesn't actually exist in Italy, and that nobody drinks a cappuccino after 11am there. WHO CARES?! We have a tomatoey dish called spaghetti Bolognese, live with it. We put cream in a carbonara, fucking deal with it. And if someone is mental enough to want a coffee in the afternoon, let them fucking deal with it again.

No shade to actual Italians or Italy, but these English ponces can fuck off.

And if i want chips with that , it is my decision 👀😃

[eye digress]

No chips at all, and Monty is spot on, except maybe for the brioche (which I take in the more general Marie-Antoinette  sense of sweetish bread than the object of the same name).

Cappucci are deffo mornings or mid afternoon - the logic being, why would you throw milk into your gut while digesting that delicious ragù...

[Monty]

Isn't Italian food history a load of made up stuff, so according to cultural Italian history supremo, John Dickie.

First, that's not really what Dickie says, he's more talking about the general weaponising and mythologising that goes on.

But he also does fall into a trap that historians of his generation fall into which is now considered a bit passé, namely a tendency to over-debunk, a bit debunk-happy if you like. Like, everyone knows that carbonara is a recent invention and that Venetian food is weird and full of sour raisins. And to take a point - he says the history of posh Italian food was very elaborate and froufrou and so on, and then throws shade on the idea that it's a 'peasant' cuisine, and like, sure that's mythologised to death, but it's also obviously true that with industrialisation there was a huge movement of people from rural poverty to the urban middle class, and they brought their food with them and changed Italian cookbooks in the process. Basically he's backlashing against something and he goes a bit too hard, and the serious historians are now moderately backlashing against that.

Croissant in Italian is cornetto.

I know. People in the north say brioche though, erroneously (I disagree with ED, I think they're just wrong about what it is. And they really can't say curry).