Pau Torres

[Bosco81]

I feel like European referees would probably hate Mings the same way they seem to have it in for McGinn.

Tbf McGinn somewhat deserved his booking yesterday when he kicked “The Georgian” half way up the Witton Lane.

Yes, not sure we could complain on that one, definitely worth the £7, or whatever cost bookings are these days

[Mister E]

When at the match I thought he was excellent and really makes a huge difference to us. When I watched the replay back, my initial thoughts away from the emotion of the crowd, were confirmed (to myself). I thought he was largely excellent and makes us a much better team.
The idea of an upgrade of Pau is mad

I accept your comments, and others above; my earlier ones are perhaps unfair / ungrateful / uneducated / A N other! A mash-up of Pau and Mings would be amazing ... I'd still like to see Emery try Mings, Pau and Konsa together (much as that might offend the no-back-three brigade on here).

[Gareth]

I feel like European referees would probably hate Mings the same way they seem to have it in for McGinn.

Tbf McGinn somewhat deserved his booking yesterday when he kicked “The Georgian” half way up the Witton Lane.

He also deserved protection for 3/4 times he was clobbered but that hopeless ref wasn’t having him at all…

[cdbearsfan]

Yeah, they were battering McGinn all game and he hardly got a foul, let alone any consideration of booking a PSG player.

[KevinGage]

He's Emery's boy, clearly.

But - if he fancies himself more as the deep (deep) lying midfielder picking passes - we still need someone back there medium > long term who can organise a defence and is more durable against physical forwards.

Mings is that for us when he plays and Konsa usually all the better for it. If Torres is the manager's long term fixture @ the back we need a right sided version of Ty to slot in.

[VillaTim]

There's that split moment hesitation between keeper and Torres and it's fatal . Mings puts that away from danger and speaks with Martinez after .

[PaulWinch again]

Maybe, maybe not. It’s Emi’s error anyway if he comes out like that he has to get it.

Pau was absolutely key in what we were able to do last night.

[VillaTim]

Maybe , but Torres had the priority to clear the danger and didn't . And it's ended up in our net .

[Somniloquism]

There's that split moment hesitation between keeper and Torres and it's fatal . Mings puts that away from danger and speaks with Martinez after .

Or he collides with Martinez and takes Emi out of the game and maybe himself. Again all if's buts and maybe's but when a keeper comes out like that and shouts, defenders normally leave it, especially as the keeper can see the attackers and defenders don't like clearing towards their own goal.

[VillaTim]

There's that split moment hesitation between keeper and Torres and it's fatal . Mings puts that away from danger and speaks with Martinez after .

Or he collides with Martinez and takes Emi out of the game and maybe himself. Again all if's buts and maybe's but when a keeper comes out like that and shouts, defenders normally leave it, especially as the keeper can see the attackers and defenders don't like clearing towards their own goal.

Yeah fair point , we don't ever know . My point was more around that moment of indecision Mings clears the lines and asks questions after . I will say after that mistake Torres had a fine game , the ball through to Ascensio deserved a better finish .

[brontebilly]

Maybe , but Torres had the priority to clear the danger and didn't . And it's ended up in our net .

Martinez calls that ball, it's up to him to deal with it. Got two hands on the ball so you can't blame Torres.

Torres has been a bit iffy after his return but justified his selection I thought. Distribution was very solid, kept finding our men with forward passes in the second half. Mings has lots of strengths but that isn't one. Again credit to Emery for getting them both back and competitive.

Mings all day v Newcastle and Palace though.

[Dave]

Maybe , but Torres had the priority to clear the danger and didn't . And it's ended up in our net .

Martinez calls that ball, it's up to him to deal with it. Got two hands on the ball so you can't blame Torres.

Torres has been a bit iffy after his return but justified his selection I thought. Distribution was very solid, kept finding our men with forward passes in the second half. Mings has lots of strengths but that isn't one. Again credit to Emery for getting them both back and competitive.

Mings all day v Newcastle and Palace though.

Yup, all that.

I really don't see how "well, Mings would have just ignored what his goalkeeper says and done his own thing" is something to be seen as a positive.

[LeeB]

I didn't really see it as either players fault to be honest, though if Emi did call it then it's his.

I just thought it was a bit unfortunate, could see why Pau would leave it and also he's so close to Emi when he does it's put him off hence the spill.

Also, that's why you put your crosses in that area, the football version of the corridor of uncertainty.

[Steve67]

Martinez was at fault. He spilt it.

[Monty]

Bit of both, more so Martinez.