Pau Torres

[ChicagoLion]

I am trying to remember the last time Torres made a decent pass, If the basis for his selection is that he is able to pick a pass I am not seeing much evidence of it.

[brontebilly]

Neither are playing well, let's be honest. Carlos, well he's an average defender. Torres is a fantastic player with the ball at his feet but even at that he is struggling recently. Running into trouble and that mistake last night are mistakes he simply wasn't making 12 months ago. Last night for some reason RBL didn't press us much until late on, our three centre backs all hit some nice long passes when under no pressure. But when RBL pushed up on them late on our trio collapsed.

Forest won't be like that, they will be getting stuck into us from the first minute. Not a game for Torres.

[Dave]

I am trying to remember the last time Torres made a decent pass, If the basis for his selection is that he is able to pick a pass I am not seeing much evidence of it.

If you mean a significant one that led to something important happening, I'd probably say putting McGinn through for Watkins' goal against Palace a couple of weeks ago.

[PaulWinch again]

He does it quite a lot. There was an example last night where we were on the back foot he got hold of the ball and his pass completely switched the play and gave us an attacking platform (Shearer specifically called it out).

[ChicagoLion]

I am trying to remember the last time Torres made a decent pass, If the basis for his selection is that he is able to pick a pass I am not seeing much evidence of it.

If you mean a significant one that led to something important happening, I'd probably say putting McGinn through for Watkins' goal against Palace a couple of weeks ago.

Sure, but last season he was playing great passes every game, not necessarily resulting in goals but our ability to go from defence to attack because of his range of passing seems to have diminished.

[Demitri_C]

Delighted with the win but man torres was so bad last night. That pass second half at 2-2 we were so lucky they missed that chanceas it could have been a different  score today.

Mings has to start for me Saturday vs forest

It was his mistake of the night - otherwise he was OK. But the trouble is the same can be said of the other two. As things stand we have one in-form centreback.

Pau and carlos are so out of form its unbelievable

Well the reason it's so unbelievable, is that it's not true!

You genuinely  believe both are in form? Torres especially?

There's a big chunk of empty space between "in form" and "so out of form it's unbelievable".

They're both in that space.

i personally think they are way out of form especially  torres. He hasnt been at the levels of last season in my opinion. He is making more passing mistakes, looks weak and just defensively  not so good.

Guess  with carlos you can argue he has never been in form! Just  a handful of excellent performances only e.g arsenal games

[eamonn]

That suicidal pass across the box last night wouldn't have happened if he had trusted his right foot. It was a much tougher execution with the left side but because players even at the highest level avoid using their weaker foot where possible, fuck-ups can happen.

[Meanwood Villa]

I'm a big fan of Pau but can't help think he's gone off the boil a bit since I identified him as our most important player. This was around the time of Forest at home earlier this year. So really it's my fault.

[Hookeysmith]

I love him and think he is instrumental in how we set up and play. There will be times, like dribblers losing the ball on occasion that a player like Torres will let a stray pass go awry - it is small margins.

Great that we can now have the flexibility to adapt to an opponents threat by bringing in Mings to combat Woods, which i think will be the choice

[Brazilian Villain]

I'm a big fan of Pau but can't help think he's gone off the boil a bit since I identified him as our most important player. This was around the time of Forest at home earlier this year. So really it's my fault.

Can you please identify Chris Wood as Forest's most important player?

[Meanwood Villa]

I'm a big fan of Pau but can't help think he's gone off the boil a bit since I identified him as our most important player. This was around the time of Forest at home earlier this year. So really it's my fault.

Can you please identify Chris Wood as Forest's most important player?

Every player who sets foot on the pitch for them on Saturday is equally their most important player.

[Olneythelonely]

I thought Pau was very good last night. One excellent bit of play where he controlled an attempted ball forward and played an excellent ball into Watkins feet. His one error was horrible but the narrative around some of our players is mad at the moment.

[PaulWinch again]

I thought Pau was very good last night. One excellent bit of play where he controlled an attempted ball forward and played an excellent ball into Watkins feet. His one error was horrible but the narrative around some of our players is mad at the moment.

I think that’s it, and some is a result of a dip in form, but the current targets for antipathy for some (at least from my perspective) are Watkins and Torres. Both of whom are excellent players, who have done plenty for the club. I don’t know why some have to jump to sweeping conclusions, but with Duran I’m sure some of those lauding him now were probably calling a waste of space a few months after he joined. Similarly I recall Mings being roundly slated at times.

I understand the frustration in game around cock-ups or poor decisions, I entirely feel that too, but it’s the extrapolation out to these players suddenly not being worthy of us that I struggle with.

[Demitri_C]

I thought Pau was very good last night. One excellent bit of play where he controlled an attempted ball forward and played an excellent ball into Watkins feet. His one error was horrible but the narrative around some of our players is mad at the moment.

You only have to look at our defensive stats to see why - it is horrible.

Hoping a run of kamara and onana in CM will help improve that

[Olneythelonely]

I thought Pau was very good last night. One excellent bit of play where he controlled an attempted ball forward and played an excellent ball into Watkins feet. His one error was horrible but the narrative around some of our players is mad at the moment.

You only have to look at our defensive stats to see why - it is horrible.

Hoping a run of kamara and onana in CM will help improve that

I do look at the stats, I still fail to see why. Pau is not the problem. Which you’ve alluded to by suggesting a fix may be needed elsewhere.