Jhon Durán

[Rory]

No, the link between that and things being “corrupt”.

I don’t really see what the agenda is in terms of corruption against Villa - what is the conspiracy supposed to stop us achieving? Let’s be honest, forget the refereeing decisions had we just been better at the end of games we’d have at least 5 more points. There isn’t an agenda against Villa - there are sometimes bad decisions and there are sometimes decisions that are right that fans don’t like. It’s annoying, but it’s not set up to screw us or anyone else.

Maybe it’s time that we galvanised against what is seen as protectionism towards the big boys.
And that protectionism IS corrupt.
You rallied against the term corruption yesterday, and continue to do so today.

Maybe we should stop being happy to have our bellies tickled, and stand up for the club and the players when we perceive we are being done over.
We can’t and shouldn’t be Mr. Nice guy all the time.

I rallied against the term “corruption” because it’s nonsense and makes no sense. How is a red card for Villa, who were already losing, against Newcastle protecting the big boys? If there genuinely was a coordinated attempt to maintain the status quo wouldn’t stopping Newcastle’s progress make much more sense? It’s just a debatable red card - that’s all. Like I say all clubs get ropey calls or calls fans don’t agree with. Screaming conspiracy is just very Arsenal TV, as has been mentioned. Let’s be honest we have got in our own way more than enough this season, there’s no need for a conspiracy.

Agreed. I don't mind the appeal, but everything else should just be handled with dignity and maturity, rather than behaving like Klopp reacting to a parking ticket.

[PaulWinch again]

And just to be absolutely clear - I’m not saying there’s any issue in disagreeing with the decision itself, it’s a really subjective one. But disagreeing doesn’t mean that there’s an underlying agenda behind it. The Club has the right of appeal, which it took - we lost. We should just get on with it, rather than having various senior officials continue to grumble informally on social media.

[Rory]

And just to be absolutely clear - I’m not saying there’s any issue in disagreeing with the decision itself, it’s a really subjective one. But disagreeing doesn’t mean that there’s an underlying agenda behind it. The Club has the right of appeal, which it took - we lost. We should just get on with it, rather than having various senior officials continue to grumble informally on social media.

Again, agreed.

[Sexual Ealing]

Yeah if this doesn't  fire them up then i dont know what wouldnt.

Nor do I.

[paul_e]

And just to be absolutely clear - I’m not saying there’s any issue in disagreeing with the decision itself, it’s a really subjective one. But disagreeing doesn’t mean that there’s an underlying agenda behind it. The Club has the right of appeal, which it took - we lost. We should just get on with it, rather than having various senior officials continue to grumble informally on social media.

Why should we? It's a poor decision that screwed us in the game just as we were getting into it and now has left us with 1 striker for 3 games despite the vast majority of pundits and reporters saying it was harsh. It doesn't have to be corruption to be a massive injustice, especially when there is recent evidence of a red being overturned in similar circumstances.

We've been shit on and I'm all for the club making it clear that we are pissed off, especially after the forest non-penalty which is easily the worst decision I've seen all season. It does start too like a pattern (even if it isn't) so I'm all for the club protesting itself. If these reactions mean a ref in the future takes a second and chances their minds in our favour then it's all worth it.

I couldn't give a fuck about decorum or looking small-time or any other catchphrase people want to throw around, certain clubs have been using this sort of soft pressure to get their own way for years and it clearly fucking works.

[Brazilian Villain]

I agree 100% with paul_e.

[Drummond]

Me too actually.

We're not calling anyone a cheat, just that they made a shit decision and we are standing by and supporting our player.

And even if he meant it, fuck them anyway.

[Toronto Villa]

I don’t think it’s corruption. It’s massive incompetence in making consistent decisions. I just didn’t see the clear intent to injure in the Duran incident. Yet that got him a red card. But look at this from the Joao Pedro. How is this not a red card?

https://x.com/zoryalondonsk/status/1872759966697988439?s=46





So he didn’t make contact. But the intent to injure was clear but he escaped any punishment. We are left without a key player for 3 games. It’s fucking bullshit.

[eamonn]

It’s all gone a bit Arsenal TV in this thread.

I kinda like that bald black fella with the big head.

[ChicagoLion]

They were never going to reverse it. PGMOL is marking is own homework.
Football in the UK is the worst refereed sport yet the refs get paid a fortune in comparison to other officials.
I know people do not want to believe it’s corruption but week in week out you are seeing inexplicable decisions. They have all of the technology they could want but still get so much stuff wrong with certain clubs being favoured. It’s hard to believe that it is all above board.
As mentioned Taylor made a series of bad grossly inaccurate decisions in their favour, he had his finger on the scales the whole game.

[Clampy]

I don’t think it’s corruption. It’s massive incompetence in making consistent decisions. I just didn’t see the clear intent to injure in the Duran incident. Yet that got him a red card. But look at this from the Joao Pedro. How is this not a red card?

https://x.com/zoryalondonsk/status/1872759966697988439?s=46





So he didn’t make contact. But the intent to injure was clear but he escaped any punishment. We are left without a key player for 3 games. It’s fucking bullshit.

You may not have watched the game or you possibly had the commentary off (it was Clive Tyldesley, so perfecty understandable if so) but after the incident, they bought in Mark Clattenburg to comment who said that because it was intent, it's no longer deemed a bookable offence. It's only if contact is made. I can see one or two inconsistencies creeping up with that

[PaulWinch again]

Like I say it’s a personal thing, but I don’t think because someone else does it is the greatest rationale for doing something. It’s pretty pathetic when other clubs do it, and I’m sure we probably thought that at the time. It just ends up being a race to the bottom. I also don’t think that in the round it makes that much difference over the season - when we played well we still finished top 4, reality is it’s not referees that are stopping us pushing on this season it’s that our level in the league isn’t good enough regularly enough.

[Ian.]

I don’t think it’s corruption. It’s massive incompetence in making consistent decisions. I just didn’t see the clear intent to injure in the Duran incident. Yet that got him a red card. But look at this from the Joao Pedro. How is this not a red card?

https://x.com/zoryalondonsk/status/1872759966697988439?s=46





So he didn’t make contact. But the intent to injure was clear but he escaped any punishment. We are left without a key player for 3 games. It’s fucking bullshit.

Every season we have really ridiculous inconsistencies in football and this is one of those. I think the Duran incident is another. It’s not corruption but incompetence.  However the only time I do question the corruption element is whenever Manchester United are involved, or they have a massive amount of luck involved.

[Monty]

It isn't corruption, there were a couple of free kicks that went our way in the second half that were clear and utter bullshit.

What it is, though, is pretty typical of British institutions in general: incompetence at the base level, covered for clubbably by the higher ups. Arne Slot - admittedly, the world's Dutchest man - has said he's stunned by the poor quality of officiating. Whenever I watch a Premier League game with in Italian they cannot believe that no fiddling has gone on, so rubbish is the officiating and so craven is the use of VAR.

People can reasonably disagree about the Duran red card, though the consensus from the neutrals seems to be that it was the wrong decision, and I'm sure we appealed for the most part to show Jhon moral support, but it says something that we appealed absolutely knowing there was zero chance this rather questionable decision would be overturned. The system doesn't exist to actually examine decisions and get the best outcomes - it exists to rubber-stamp whatever the officials decide, to shield them from accountability, to keep standards cosily low.

[Demitri_C]

Agree with you paul_e