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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4560 on: December 12, 2024, 10:48:10 AM »
In his few starts has he shown he's worth £100million? I think there's still an element of the unknown about him in that respect. A club shelling out that much for someone who is undoubtedly talented but still has some question marks would be a bit of a risk, I think. If they just wanted to build a team around him, then maybe, but I'd still question how he fits into an already established squad. I don't doubt people will be interested, I'm just not sure they'll be offering as much as some here think they should.

but the cost represents what he's worth to us, not what a team are willing to pay. That only changes if we want to sell him. It's the same reason why, in the summer, we set a price and told clubs that we wouldn't negotiate on it

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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4561 on: December 12, 2024, 10:56:15 AM »
The same is true as it was at the end of last season, but even more so - is there any striker in the world who is doing what he is doing at such a young age? At the end of the season he'll be the same age as Hojlund was when Man Utd spent £70m on him, off the strength of a one-in-three record in Austria and Italy. Duran's basically a one-in-two striker for us now in the Premier League / Champions League at the moment. 

I don't think we *will* see huge bids for him, but that's more that I don't think the teams that could make £100m bids for him (PSG / Bayern / Man City / Man Utd / Chelsea / Liverpool / Real) really need someone in his position at the moment and it would be a lot of money to drop on a position that isn't a priority. But if Harry Kane got a career-ending injury tomorrow, I reckon Bayern would be in for him like a shot at that price.

You would think that with Ratcliffe mentioning about how much wastage there had been on the squad, Manure wouldn't be doing stupid transfers. But then they throw out their Technical director after going through loads to get him so maybe they will still be stupid.

Of the rest, Liverpool might have Salah but he is 32, and he plays more winger then main forward. And Nunez is definitely a massive weak link so maybe? And PSG haven't really replaced Mbabbe have they?
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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4562 on: December 12, 2024, 10:57:07 AM »

but the cost represents what he's worth to us, not what a team are willing to pay. That only changes if we want to sell him. It's the same reason why, in the summer, we set a price and told clubs that we wouldn't negotiate on it

My post was in response to the idea we'd be seeing some big money offers coming in for him this summer. What you're saying is in agreement with what I'm saying. Clubs may be interested in him, but I'm not sure we'll be getting that many huge offers for him.

The post before yours makes the point about clubs that could afford it not really needing him. So unless Chelsea or Man Utd carry on with their ridiculous transfer policies, I don't think circumstances will allow for anyone to be offering what we might see him as being worth.

His form is far more likely to lead to offers for Watkins, in my opinion.

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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4563 on: December 12, 2024, 10:59:45 AM »
The two things that would depress his price in a potential sale, ie his lack of a new contract, and him being a bellend have both disappeared. In addition to that, he's massively raised his game.

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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4564 on: December 12, 2024, 11:13:50 AM »
It’s essential we keep him, he’s the future of the club virtually impossible for us to replace for his age and abilities

We look at other strikers in the past and present like Kane, Salah, Haarland, Mbappe, Levendowski, Ronaldo, Drogba, and think we’ve never been at that level to sign one of those top draw forwards

Well we have one who is already one of the best in Europe and could well develop into one who gets into that top group
We have him right now signed up for a good few years, money shouldn’t come into it we need to keep him at all costs

he is becoming a world beater and the success of the club in the next few seasons relies on players like him



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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4565 on: December 12, 2024, 11:15:07 AM »
Tomorrow he celebrates his 21st birthday.
At that age Ollie Watkins had just established himself in the Exeter City 1st team.
At that age Peter Withe had played 3 times for Southport and once for Barrow.
If he listens to good advice and sticks with Unai Emery, anything is possible.

Still blows my mind that broad consensus over the summer was that he wasn't worth persevering with and that we should have binned him out.

Yep. The club were being greedy apparently by not accepting West Ham's offer. It was just weird.

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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4566 on: December 12, 2024, 11:16:40 AM »
Also, why do we seem to talk about a player leaving when we have a good one? Just enjoy that he's our player.

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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4567 on: December 12, 2024, 11:19:06 AM »
Over the years, many top players have left us. Blanchflower left because we lacked ambition, Hateley left because we were shit, Yorke left to go a club that used to win loads of trophies, Rat Boy left because he wanted CL football.
These days we have ambition, we are not shit, we are close to winning trophies again, and we are playing in the CL.

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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4568 on: December 12, 2024, 11:30:47 AM »
It’s essential we keep him, he’s the future of the club virtually impossible for us to replace for his age and abilities

We look at other strikers in the past and present like Kane, Salah, Haarland, Mbappe, Levendowski, Ronaldo, Drogba, and think we’ve never been at that level to sign one of those top draw forwards

Well we have one who is already one of the best in Europe and could well develop into one who gets into that top group
We have him right now signed up for a good few years, money shouldn’t come into it we need to keep him at all costs

he is becoming a world beater and the success of the club in the next few seasons relies on players like him

I like him, everything points to him being really good, but is this not overplaying it a little bit?

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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4569 on: December 12, 2024, 11:34:14 AM »
It’s essential we keep him, he’s the future of the club virtually impossible for us to replace for his age and abilities

We look at other strikers in the past and present like Kane, Salah, Haarland, Mbappe, Levendowski, Ronaldo, Drogba, and think we’ve never been at that level to sign one of those top draw forwards

Well we have one who is already one of the best in Europe and could well develop into one who gets into that top group
We have him right now signed up for a good few years, money shouldn’t come into it we need to keep him at all costs

he is becoming a world beater and the success of the club in the next few seasons relies on players like him

I like him, everything points to him being really good, but is this not overplaying it a little bit?

It is not, in my arrogant opinion.

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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4570 on: December 12, 2024, 11:34:59 AM »
Over the years, many top players have left us. Blanchflower left because we lacked ambition, Hateley left because we were shit, Yorke left to go a club that used to win loads of trophies, Rat Boy left because he wanted CL football.
These days we have ambition, we are not shit, we are close to winning trophies again, and we are playing in the CL.
We also have smart hard nosed business people running the club, who are not going to get steam rolled over transfers.
So if we do sell Duran it will be for an awful lot of money.

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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4571 on: December 12, 2024, 11:44:15 AM »
You would think that with Ratcliffe mentioning about how much wastage there had been on the squad, Manure wouldn't be doing stupid transfers. But then they throw out their Technical director after going through loads to get him so maybe they will still be stupid.

Of the rest, Liverpool might have Salah but he is 32, and he plays more winger then main forward. And Nunez is definitely a massive weak link so maybe? And PSG haven't really replaced Mbabbe have they?

I not sure about Nunez. I reckon he is, to them, what Rogers is to us, a player with loads of positives who could be exceptional but who doesn't quite have the end-product that his ability suggests. It might be that they look at his age and decide it's never going to happen, and he has gone backwards a little this season, but a 1 in 3 record last season (and 1 in 4 for assists as well) shows he's not far off.

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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4572 on: December 12, 2024, 11:46:37 AM »

but the cost represents what he's worth to us, not what a team are willing to pay. That only changes if we want to sell him. It's the same reason why, in the summer, we set a price and told clubs that we wouldn't negotiate on it

My post was in response to the idea we'd be seeing some big money offers coming in for him this summer. What you're saying is in agreement with what I'm saying. Clubs may be interested in him, but I'm not sure we'll be getting that many huge offers for him.

The post before yours makes the point about clubs that could afford it not really needing him. So unless Chelsea or Man Utd carry on with their ridiculous transfer policies, I don't think circumstances will allow for anyone to be offering what we might see him as being worth.

His form is far more likely to lead to offers for Watkins, in my opinion.

We'll definitely get offers for him, and I suspect some of them will be well over £50m but whether they'll be enough to tempt us is questionable because I think we'll do everything we can to keep him now.

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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4573 on: December 12, 2024, 12:22:38 PM »
He's a brilliant striker I just hope we can knock back any bids for him when they do come in for him he's only going to get better and I want it to be with us.

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Re: Jhon Durán
« Reply #4574 on: December 12, 2024, 12:43:31 PM »
It’s essential we keep him, he’s the future of the club virtually impossible for us to replace for his age and abilities

We look at other strikers in the past and present like Kane, Salah, Haarland, Mbappe, Levendowski, Ronaldo, Drogba, and think we’ve never been at that level to sign one of those top draw forwards

Well we have one who is already one of the best in Europe and could well develop into one who gets into that top group
We have him right now signed up for a good few years, money shouldn’t come into it we need to keep him at all costs

he is becoming a world beater and the success of the club in the next few seasons relies on players like him

I like him, everything points to him being really good, but is this not overplaying it a little bit?

Fair enough comment but that’s where I see him,
I would hazard a guess that of the names I mentioned only 2/3 of them were doing what Duran is doing at his age and they are the best there’s been in the last 25 years


 


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