Jaden Philogene

[eamonn]

21 years old and already three permanent transfers in his career. He has been traded like a piece of meat since he turned professional but he must be a very wealthy lad with those signing on fees alone. Good luck to him.

Well, exactly. I doubt he's that gutted. He's had the chance to work for one of the best managers in the game and now he'll play for a highly-rated one and by all accounts he could have gone to play for clubs in Spain. All the while earning good money. He's leading a pretty successful life compared to the average 21 year old or someone thrice his age.

[Smithy]

I do wonder if this was the plan all along.

We knew his true value, other clubs set the price, i.e. £18m in the summer, we got a 30% discount, £13.5m then sell him in January for the inflated window price i.e. £20m and make even more.

What is Monchi doing? Makes the summer business look better in that context.

It might've been a bit of both.  We'd bought him with the intention of him fitting in to the first team squad, but maybe knowing that it was a fairly low-risk move as we could shift him fairly easily if things didn't work out.

It's exactly that. Emery didn't want to lose him first time and we had a decent sell on clause that meant we could re-sign him for below market value. This would then give us flexibility in the future that we could at least make our money back on him. As it stands, we're going to make a small profit.

Yep - it was lowest risk of low-risk signings.  If he stepped up as we'd hoped we get a bit of a bargain on a promising forward.  If it doesn't work out, the chances are we'd - at the VERY least - get all of our money back and propbably make a small profit.

If only it was possible to have this sort of guarantee with all of our signings!

If he goes, he'll have my good wishes. It hasn't worked out, but he hasn't moaned or thrown his toys out of the pram.  Put in a great shift in the big win vs Bayern.

[AV84]

Just shows how giving youth players runs out off the bench and cameos in the champions league can really boost their value. I'd be giving Louis Barry the same opportunity this Jan.

I wonder if that's the plan with Nedeljkovic? Seemed we wanted to keep him for preseason and until Jan, give him some Prem experience, and then loan him out somewhere to actually get regular game time.

[john e]

Football is bonkers

I scored 19 goals in the district league back in 1979
I reckon I’ll be worth 10 million now

Have you still got the strength of a bull and that electric pace?

The appetite of a Bull and ready for a pace maker

[placeforparks]

great fee for him, and great for monchi's spreadsheet, but i've been really disappointed with philogene's cameos (aside from bayern).

for a winger, he couldn't beat an egg this season. looked incredibly confident in the championship for hull last season.

[Somniloquism]

I wonder if McKenna always wanted to re-unite last seasons Hull front-line at Ipswich.

[simon ward 50]

Can't we swap him for Delap?

[Dave]

Can't we swap him for Delap?

Do we need a third-choice striker?

[SaddVillan]

He was on £40k per week.
So that's £1.08m off the wages bill.

[taylorsworkrate]

He's shown nothing this season, bar the Bayern game when he put in a hardworking effort (albeit without any actual attacking threat).

To get this sort of fee for him is excellent work.

[Brend'Watkins]

Can't we swap him for Delap?

Do we need a third-choice striker?

It would give us more options up top and, more importantly, we'd have a striker ready to go when we off load Ollie in the summer.

[Smithy]

Can't we swap him for Delap?

Do we need a third-choice striker?

It would give us more options up top and, more importantly, we'd have a striker ready to go when we off load Ollie in the summer.

Delap cost £20m in the summer, and now averages a goal every other game, for a team fighting relegation.  His value has gone up almost as much as Morgan Rogers.

A swap for Philogene is fanciful, and if they do get relegated and decide to cash in, I’d imagine he will be £40m+. Probably over £50m if his goal scoring rate stays anywhere close to its current rate.

[Dave]

Can't we swap him for Delap?

Do we need a third-choice striker?

It would give us more options up top and, more importantly, we'd have a striker ready to go when we off load Ollie in the summer.

Delap cost £20m in the summer, and now averages a goal every other game, for a team fighting relegation.  His value has gone up almost as much as Morgan Rogers.

A swap for Philogene is fanciful, and if they do get relegated and decide to cash in, I’d imagine he will be £40m+. Probably over £50m if his goal scoring rate stays anywhere close to its current rate.

And given Man City have a £30m buy-back clause, you'd think that they'll be doing their own bit of Philogening and taking the profit on top of that.

[eye digress]

Still, almost £100m for him, Azzaz, Archer, Chukwuemeka, middle Ramsey and Kellyman in the last couple of years is decent going. No sellers remorse yet although Finn is the one we let go cheap. I think he only had a few months left on his deal, hopefully we've included a sell-on.

Azzaz is the one I look back on with a hint of regret. An asset to every team he played for, at every level, and comes across as a decent bloke.

[eye digress]

Just for clarity we actually paid around £13m for him so using the same maths and sales amount we're going to get around 10m profit on him, which would pretty much cover the first year costs of Malen and the Spanish right back we've been linked to.

Is that net of the 30% discount/sell-on?

Also to be noted that in addition to the £10m profit on the current deal, we’d already booked £5m on him the year before.