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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3210 on: July 31, 2023, 03:28:06 PM »
Tottenham Hotspuds still think we are little Aston Villa, not a serious threat.

Said it 6 months ago, let's put a massive bid in for Harry Kane. Let everyone know, that we have really arrived!! Harry is brainy enough to know he will score more goals at the villa than Spuds, and will have a better chance of winning silverware and breaking Shearer's record.

Might sell to us instead of Bayern. Okay, we might have to sell some peripheral players, but so be it.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3211 on: July 31, 2023, 03:31:08 PM »
I think the comparison with Toney, while understandable, is partly unfair because Toney gets a lot of goals with penalties. Whereas Ollie doesn’t. I think he will get closer to 20 this season under Unai. Granted though he is frustrating, he needs to be more consistent because he tends to have fallow patches where’s a great striker like Kane scores most matches.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3212 on: July 31, 2023, 03:32:00 PM »
Tottenham Hotspuds still think we are little Aston Villa, not a serious threat.

Said it 6 months ago, let's put a massive bid in for Harry Kane. Let everyone know, that we have really arrived!! Harry is brainy enough to know he will score more goals at the villa than Spuds, and will have a better chance of winning silverware and breaking Shearer's record.

Might sell to us instead of Bayern. Okay, we might have to sell some peripheral players, but so be it.

Think maybe we should all have a valium.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3213 on: July 31, 2023, 03:35:02 PM »
I would like a valium.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3214 on: July 31, 2023, 03:38:19 PM »
Why stop there? Let’s get Haaland.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3215 on: July 31, 2023, 03:44:25 PM »
I used 3 years as that's how long he's been a PL player. So comparing him to his peers in that time seems logical.

Well it show's that he's consistent and rarely injured. But it misses facts like Ivan Toney has outscored him in the last two years, or that Callum Wilson has scored almost the same number of goals in 25% fewer games.

Ollie had a year of Gerrard in that time, so it all evens out.

Wilson had a year and a half of Steve Bruce.

The problem with Watkins is he's brilliant at finding the space, more likely than not in the right place but technically he's generally poor. His first touch pretty much always needs a second. It's not like he doesn't get the service. I'd sell him this window for as much as we can get (£60m?) and buy Gonçalo Ramos (£80m) from Benfica. He's a footballing Ollie Watkins. Net cost would be around £20m. Somebody is preparing a bid for Ramos, I'd love it to be us.

Santiago Giménez of Feyenoord , who Benfica are lining up to replace Ramos, would be a cheaper option if Unai doesn't fancy Archer as back up.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3216 on: July 31, 2023, 03:48:43 PM »
Why stop there? Let’s get Haaland.

The valium will be fine for now.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3217 on: July 31, 2023, 03:52:43 PM »
I think the comparison with Toney, while understandable, is partly unfair because Toney gets a lot of goals with penalties. Whereas Ollie doesn’t. I think he will get closer to 20 this season under Unai. Granted though he is frustrating, he needs to be more consistent because he tends to have fallow patches where’s a great striker like Kane scores most matches.

Penalty taking is an important skill though, and even there Ollie is really hit and miss. If you take Toney's penalties off his total last season, he'd still have scored 14, just one behind Watkins anyway.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3218 on: July 31, 2023, 04:25:32 PM »
He does just fine for us. He's part of a team that was only behind Man City in the time since Emery took over and played a vital part in it.

Yes he misses some, but every player does.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3219 on: July 31, 2023, 04:51:35 PM »
He does just fine for us. He's part of a team that was only behind Man City in the time since Emery took over and played a vital part in it.

Yes he misses some, but every player does.

This with bells on, I just don't get the negativity around him, he's fine getting 15 or so every season if the others chip in more.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3220 on: July 31, 2023, 04:54:17 PM »
He does just fine for us. He's part of a team that was only behind Man City in the time since Emery took over and played a vital part in it.

Yes he misses some, but every player does.

He misses more than he should though, that's the issue.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3221 on: July 31, 2023, 04:58:41 PM »
Diaby and Buendia have contributed 4 between them in the 3 USA matches. Would be nice if they, or even one of them, could continue like that when the season starts.

I mentioned it during the Brentford game but last season our next highest scorer after Watkins was Luiz with 5 goals. If Diaby (as he seems most likely) even only scored a goal every 3rd match, he'd add 12 in a season.

I know a strikers main purpose is to score goals, but I'd rather have more contributions from elsewhere on the pitch than be a team that relies on one player to score all our goals.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3222 on: July 31, 2023, 05:06:36 PM »
Yes we need regular goals from the other attackers. It's why I'd have liked either Barnes or Maddison, two players who tend to get into, or close to double figures every year.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3223 on: July 31, 2023, 05:14:04 PM »
Come to think of it, we scored 8 in the US, and only one came from a striker. 5 from midfield, and 2 from defenders.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3224 on: July 31, 2023, 05:15:46 PM »
He does just fine for us. He's part of a team that was only behind Man City in the time since Emery took over and played a vital part in it.

Yes he misses some, but every player does.

He misses more than he should though, that's the issue.

Perhaps, but he doesn't cost us gamest, and his goal return is still pretty good. It's not just about goals for him though, he creates space and opportunities for others.

There just aren't players out there that offer as much to the team as he does, that get close to that number of goals (barring Haaland, Kane and Salah of course, but we may have our own versions of that Liverpool 3 of Firmino Salah and Mane coming with Watkins, Diaby and *insert preferred option here.

 


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