Ollie Watkins

[chrisw1]

He's not shit, just woefully out of form.

But how long do you have to be out of form to be classed as shit?

He missed loads of chances last season too. 

[Legion]

I would prefer to see him on the bench and give Archer a chance or possibly play both. Ings offers nothing either.

[Clampy]

Watkins is most definatley not shit, that's just angry nonsense. Out of form and lacking in confidence though.

[Edvard Remberg]

Watkins is most definatley not shit, that's just angry nonsense. Out of form and lacking in confidence though.

He is doing almost everything wrong - constantly offside, can't tame a ball played at him, poor passing. The big problem is that he isn't taken out of the firing line and we as a team are suffering.

[paul_e]

Watkins is most definatley not shit, that's just angry nonsense. Out of form and lacking in confidence though.

He is doing almost everything wrong - constantly offside, can't tame a ball played at him, poor passing. The big problem is that he isn't taken out of the firing line and we as a team are suffering.

But that's on the manager not on him. As I said last night what Gerrard is doing with him, McGinn and Bailey has caused all 3 to spiral from being a bit out of form to having a genuine crisis of confidence so now they're all trying to win games on their own to prove they've "got it" still.

[stubbsyandy]

I’d like Ollie wide and Cam from the start

[PeterWithesShin]

There's a difference in being shit and totally devoid of form and confidence. It wasn't that long ago Ollie was playing and scoring for England, and was there on merit. Now he looks like he'll never score again. I don't think it helps him that Gerrard seems blind to it and has played him in every minute of our last 9 games. Sometimes you can play someone back into form, Ollie looks to me like a player that needs to be taken out the firing line for a couple of games.

[chrisw1]

Watkins is most definatley not shit, that's just angry nonsense. Out of form and lacking in confidence though.

Unless you subscribe to the view that he was good last season, which I dont, then he's been out of form and lacking in confidence for 15 months.

Ross Barkley wasn't shit either.  He was good once but just out of form and lacking confidence.

[paul_e]

Watkins is most definatley not shit, that's just angry nonsense. Out of form and lacking in confidence though.

Unless you subscribe to the view that he was good last season, which I dont, then he's been out of form and lacking in confidence for 15 months.

Ross Barkley wasn't shit either.  He was good once but just out of form and lacking confidence.

Well watkins was our top scorer and got into double figures so he clearly wasn't shit last season, even if he wasn't as good as the year before.

[chrisw1]

Watkins is most definatley not shit, that's just angry nonsense. Out of form and lacking in confidence though.

He is doing almost everything wrong - constantly offside, can't tame a ball played at him, poor passing. The big problem is that he isn't taken out of the firing line and we as a team are suffering.

But that's on the manager not on him. As I said last night what Gerrard is doing with him, McGinn and Bailey has caused all 3 to spiral from being a bit out of form to having a genuine crisis of confidence so now they're all trying to win games on their own to prove they've "got it" still.

Him being constantly offside, missing big chances and having the ball control of a broken jockstrap is the managers fault?  I'm no fan of Gerrard, but sometimes players missing easy chances need to have to hold their hands up.  Whatever the tactics and coaching, he should be able to deliver his fundamental skills.

[chrisw1]

Watkins is most definatley not shit, that's just angry nonsense. Out of form and lacking in confidence though.

Unless you subscribe to the view that he was good last season, which I dont, then he's been out of form and lacking in confidence for 15 months.

Ross Barkley wasn't shit either.  He was good once but just out of form and lacking confidence.

Well watkins was our top scorer and got into double figures so he clearly wasn't shit last season, even if he wasn't as good as the year before.

It's comments like this that lead me to question which posters go to games.  Because with my own eyes I witnessed him miss loads of chances that he should have burried.  It's from that that I form my judgement that he was off form last season too.

[PeterWithesShin]

Off the top of my head, only Benteke (three times) and Watkins (twice) have hit double figures for us in a PL season since 2010.

[paul_e]

Watkins is most definatley not shit, that's just angry nonsense. Out of form and lacking in confidence though.

He is doing almost everything wrong - constantly offside, can't tame a ball played at him, poor passing. The big problem is that he isn't taken out of the firing line and we as a team are suffering.

But that's on the manager not on him. As I said last night what Gerrard is doing with him, McGinn and Bailey has caused all 3 to spiral from being a bit out of form to having a genuine crisis of confidence so now they're all trying to win games on their own to prove they've "got it" still.

Him being constantly offside, missing big chances and having the ball control of a broken jockstrap is the managers fault?  I'm no fan of Gerrard, but sometimes players missing easy chances need to have to hold their hands up.  Whatever the tactics and coaching, he should be able to deliver his fundamental skills.

Your on one today aren't you. Anyone with basic reading comprehension could understand I was commenting on the bold bit.

[brontebilly]

Unfortunately last night I don't recall him even having a clear chance, v Leeds he had plenty of them but last night zip. Forest sat in deep and Watkins had no impact.

I would have replaced him at same time as Coutinho last night. Brought Archer and Ings on at same time and switched to 4132. 

[chrisw1]

Watkins is most definatley not shit, that's just angry nonsense. Out of form and lacking in confidence though.

He is doing almost everything wrong - constantly offside, can't tame a ball played at him, poor passing. The big problem is that he isn't taken out of the firing line and we as a team are suffering.

But that's on the manager not on him. As I said last night what Gerrard is doing with him, McGinn and Bailey has caused all 3 to spiral from being a bit out of form to having a genuine crisis of confidence so now they're all trying to win games on their own to prove they've "got it" still.

Him being constantly offside, missing big chances and having the ball control of a broken jockstrap is the managers fault?  I'm no fan of Gerrard, but sometimes players missing easy chances need to have to hold their hands up.  Whatever the tactics and coaching, he should be able to deliver his fundamental skills.

Your on one today aren't you. Anyone with basic reading comprehension could understand I was commenting on the bold bit.

Yeah I am, because I'm angry and you're defending the indefensible.

And less of the reading comprehension and patronising stuff eh Paul, because from where I'm sitting it's you posting rubbish this morning