Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2024, 10:59:27 AMQuote from: Monty on July 31, 2024, 10:57:27 AMWhy don't we all just stop talking about this, it's the dullest ongoing subject on the forum and nobody's ever going to change anybody's mind.Agreed. Let's have a think about our wage bill Vs Tottenham's for a bit.I personally feel there's more to explore regarding the crest and ground redevelopment.
Quote from: Monty on July 31, 2024, 10:57:27 AMWhy don't we all just stop talking about this, it's the dullest ongoing subject on the forum and nobody's ever going to change anybody's mind.Agreed. Let's have a think about our wage bill Vs Tottenham's for a bit.
Why don't we all just stop talking about this, it's the dullest ongoing subject on the forum and nobody's ever going to change anybody's mind.
Quote from: LeeB on July 31, 2024, 11:01:55 AMQuote from: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2024, 10:59:27 AMQuote from: Monty on July 31, 2024, 10:57:27 AMWhy don't we all just stop talking about this, it's the dullest ongoing subject on the forum and nobody's ever going to change anybody's mind.Agreed. Let's have a think about our wage bill Vs Tottenham's for a bit.I personally feel there's more to explore regarding the crest and ground redevelopment.The new badge has ruined my life.
I like the new badge. In fact, I'd go as far as saying it's the modern embodiment of post-coital bliss.
Or climbing out of a window, holding its trousers.
Quote from: LeeB on July 31, 2024, 11:01:55 AMQuote from: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2024, 10:59:27 AMQuote from: Monty on July 31, 2024, 10:57:27 AMWhy don't we all just stop talking about this, it's the dullest ongoing subject on the forum and nobody's ever going to change anybody's mind.Agreed. Let's have a think about our wage bill Vs Tottenham's for a bit.I personally feel there's more to explore regarding the crest and ground redevelopment.Or whether Jack really likes us, if its like or like-like, if he was just using us before moving on to a prettier girl.
I agree. Konsa is a fantastic centre-back, but he's not a particularly dominant player, so in my opinion is at his best next to someone like Mings.I think the same applies to Pau, although I don't think he's as good defensively as Konsa he makes up for it with superb ability on the ball.Unfortunately, I don't think they make a great pairing. I also don't think Carlos is quite good enough to be that dominant partner. A fully first Mings, however, is perfect. I don't particularly like Konsa at right back, but if when he plays there we are essentially playing as a 3 then I get the theory. Konsa, Mings and Pau would be a pretty awesome combination.
Can posters stop joking about playing five at the back please, I don't go round mocking people's beliefs.
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2024, 01:33:27 AMQuote from: brontebilly on July 31, 2024, 12:04:50 AMQuote from: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2024, 09:52:19 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2024, 09:46:06 PMQuote from: Monty on July 30, 2024, 09:15:46 PMQuote from: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2024, 08:29:22 PMQuote from: Dogtanian on July 30, 2024, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: Olneythelonely on July 30, 2024, 07:00:20 PMNice.I found Matty Cash in the pack.That graph is just full-backs, but Ezri is terrible there apparently.The narrative is Trumpian, so far removed from reality, it’a like they don’t watch Villa play.Not just that they preferred him at centre-back, but that he's 'awful', 'terrible', etc etc. I guess some people just want to see it, and couple of bad days (and everyone, everyone has bad days) gave this meme a specious credence.Whilst I largely agree with you both, it’s just people disagreeing about a footballers best position. It’s not like they’re failing to reach their UCCA or PCAS (or whatever they’re called now) grade requirements, or voting Reform or something. It’s not like we need to dunk them to check they’re not witches or something. This all seems a bit “wear this pointy hat and sit in the corner, you hopeless idiots”. Interesting historic point. If we trained an AI model to plough through 20 years of posts on here and asked it which position on the pitch provoked most “he should / should not be playing there” controversy, without a doubt it would be full back. By a mile.I sympathise with your general point, but like Monty says it’s all the ‘he’s awful’ stuff, when we’ve all watched him mark Vini Jr out of the game on his England debut, and a judge at the level of Unai Emery plays him there whenever we need to be at our defensive best. But that’s dismissed as a ‘blind spot’. I read it like someone is trying to convince me that black is white.You’ll remember I think paulie, the zonal marking saga on here. One season we marked like that and were the best team in the league at defending set-pieces, conceding one goal. The next year we went man-for-man and conceded 28, the worst in the league. And I still found people on here arguing that man-marking was better. H&V for you.Konsa/Vini Jr is fast approaching Carlos/Haaland territory. At least Carlos did it in a competitive game in a Villa shirt! Speaking of the conceding goals metric, since you brought it up, it's somewhat odd that we conceded 10 goals more last season than the one previous under Gerrard/Emery. It was certainly clear by the end of the season we had a serious problem at the back, one not helped by playing our best CB out of position.Good of you to acknowledge goals conceded as a meaningful metric, but it destroys your argument.We conceded more goals last season when Konsa played at centre-back than when he played at right-back. despite him playing there in all the toughest games, while Cash got the gig against the less threatening teams (because despite what you say, Emery is not an idiot). So your conclusion should have been ‘helped by our best CB playing out of position’.Not sure why this fact is failing to sink in with some people.Where's your data confirming Cash got the gig at RB against the non threatening teams? West Ham, Everton, Brighton, Ajax away all come to mind late on in the season where Konsa was at RB, and he was rubbish offensively and defensively. Not sure if those teams fit within your "non threatening" definition. Definitely in the first two, Cash came on at RB and improved us immeasurably. Saved us a point at West Ham with a great block and nearly scored the winner at Everton. Cash isn't a world beater, far from it, but at least gives us better balance across the back. Everton from memory Carlos got hooked early and Konsa moved inside when Cash came on. Same change at West Ham, Lenglet hooked early and Konsa moved in. Go through those post match threads and all you will see is criticism for Emery for unnecessarily tinkering with our back 4.We can all cherry pick largely irrelevant stats to suit narratives.
Quote from: brontebilly on July 31, 2024, 12:04:50 AMQuote from: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2024, 09:52:19 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2024, 09:46:06 PMQuote from: Monty on July 30, 2024, 09:15:46 PMQuote from: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2024, 08:29:22 PMQuote from: Dogtanian on July 30, 2024, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: Olneythelonely on July 30, 2024, 07:00:20 PMNice.I found Matty Cash in the pack.That graph is just full-backs, but Ezri is terrible there apparently.The narrative is Trumpian, so far removed from reality, it’a like they don’t watch Villa play.Not just that they preferred him at centre-back, but that he's 'awful', 'terrible', etc etc. I guess some people just want to see it, and couple of bad days (and everyone, everyone has bad days) gave this meme a specious credence.Whilst I largely agree with you both, it’s just people disagreeing about a footballers best position. It’s not like they’re failing to reach their UCCA or PCAS (or whatever they’re called now) grade requirements, or voting Reform or something. It’s not like we need to dunk them to check they’re not witches or something. This all seems a bit “wear this pointy hat and sit in the corner, you hopeless idiots”. Interesting historic point. If we trained an AI model to plough through 20 years of posts on here and asked it which position on the pitch provoked most “he should / should not be playing there” controversy, without a doubt it would be full back. By a mile.I sympathise with your general point, but like Monty says it’s all the ‘he’s awful’ stuff, when we’ve all watched him mark Vini Jr out of the game on his England debut, and a judge at the level of Unai Emery plays him there whenever we need to be at our defensive best. But that’s dismissed as a ‘blind spot’. I read it like someone is trying to convince me that black is white.You’ll remember I think paulie, the zonal marking saga on here. One season we marked like that and were the best team in the league at defending set-pieces, conceding one goal. The next year we went man-for-man and conceded 28, the worst in the league. And I still found people on here arguing that man-marking was better. H&V for you.Konsa/Vini Jr is fast approaching Carlos/Haaland territory. At least Carlos did it in a competitive game in a Villa shirt! Speaking of the conceding goals metric, since you brought it up, it's somewhat odd that we conceded 10 goals more last season than the one previous under Gerrard/Emery. It was certainly clear by the end of the season we had a serious problem at the back, one not helped by playing our best CB out of position.Good of you to acknowledge goals conceded as a meaningful metric, but it destroys your argument.We conceded more goals last season when Konsa played at centre-back than when he played at right-back. despite him playing there in all the toughest games, while Cash got the gig against the less threatening teams (because despite what you say, Emery is not an idiot). So your conclusion should have been ‘helped by our best CB playing out of position’.Not sure why this fact is failing to sink in with some people.
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2024, 09:52:19 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2024, 09:46:06 PMQuote from: Monty on July 30, 2024, 09:15:46 PMQuote from: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2024, 08:29:22 PMQuote from: Dogtanian on July 30, 2024, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: Olneythelonely on July 30, 2024, 07:00:20 PMNice.I found Matty Cash in the pack.That graph is just full-backs, but Ezri is terrible there apparently.The narrative is Trumpian, so far removed from reality, it’a like they don’t watch Villa play.Not just that they preferred him at centre-back, but that he's 'awful', 'terrible', etc etc. I guess some people just want to see it, and couple of bad days (and everyone, everyone has bad days) gave this meme a specious credence.Whilst I largely agree with you both, it’s just people disagreeing about a footballers best position. It’s not like they’re failing to reach their UCCA or PCAS (or whatever they’re called now) grade requirements, or voting Reform or something. It’s not like we need to dunk them to check they’re not witches or something. This all seems a bit “wear this pointy hat and sit in the corner, you hopeless idiots”. Interesting historic point. If we trained an AI model to plough through 20 years of posts on here and asked it which position on the pitch provoked most “he should / should not be playing there” controversy, without a doubt it would be full back. By a mile.I sympathise with your general point, but like Monty says it’s all the ‘he’s awful’ stuff, when we’ve all watched him mark Vini Jr out of the game on his England debut, and a judge at the level of Unai Emery plays him there whenever we need to be at our defensive best. But that’s dismissed as a ‘blind spot’. I read it like someone is trying to convince me that black is white.You’ll remember I think paulie, the zonal marking saga on here. One season we marked like that and were the best team in the league at defending set-pieces, conceding one goal. The next year we went man-for-man and conceded 28, the worst in the league. And I still found people on here arguing that man-marking was better. H&V for you.Konsa/Vini Jr is fast approaching Carlos/Haaland territory. At least Carlos did it in a competitive game in a Villa shirt! Speaking of the conceding goals metric, since you brought it up, it's somewhat odd that we conceded 10 goals more last season than the one previous under Gerrard/Emery. It was certainly clear by the end of the season we had a serious problem at the back, one not helped by playing our best CB out of position.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2024, 09:46:06 PMQuote from: Monty on July 30, 2024, 09:15:46 PMQuote from: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2024, 08:29:22 PMQuote from: Dogtanian on July 30, 2024, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: Olneythelonely on July 30, 2024, 07:00:20 PMNice.I found Matty Cash in the pack.That graph is just full-backs, but Ezri is terrible there apparently.The narrative is Trumpian, so far removed from reality, it’a like they don’t watch Villa play.Not just that they preferred him at centre-back, but that he's 'awful', 'terrible', etc etc. I guess some people just want to see it, and couple of bad days (and everyone, everyone has bad days) gave this meme a specious credence.Whilst I largely agree with you both, it’s just people disagreeing about a footballers best position. It’s not like they’re failing to reach their UCCA or PCAS (or whatever they’re called now) grade requirements, or voting Reform or something. It’s not like we need to dunk them to check they’re not witches or something. This all seems a bit “wear this pointy hat and sit in the corner, you hopeless idiots”. Interesting historic point. If we trained an AI model to plough through 20 years of posts on here and asked it which position on the pitch provoked most “he should / should not be playing there” controversy, without a doubt it would be full back. By a mile.I sympathise with your general point, but like Monty says it’s all the ‘he’s awful’ stuff, when we’ve all watched him mark Vini Jr out of the game on his England debut, and a judge at the level of Unai Emery plays him there whenever we need to be at our defensive best. But that’s dismissed as a ‘blind spot’. I read it like someone is trying to convince me that black is white.You’ll remember I think paulie, the zonal marking saga on here. One season we marked like that and were the best team in the league at defending set-pieces, conceding one goal. The next year we went man-for-man and conceded 28, the worst in the league. And I still found people on here arguing that man-marking was better. H&V for you.
Quote from: Monty on July 30, 2024, 09:15:46 PMQuote from: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2024, 08:29:22 PMQuote from: Dogtanian on July 30, 2024, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: Olneythelonely on July 30, 2024, 07:00:20 PMNice.I found Matty Cash in the pack.That graph is just full-backs, but Ezri is terrible there apparently.The narrative is Trumpian, so far removed from reality, it’a like they don’t watch Villa play.Not just that they preferred him at centre-back, but that he's 'awful', 'terrible', etc etc. I guess some people just want to see it, and couple of bad days (and everyone, everyone has bad days) gave this meme a specious credence.Whilst I largely agree with you both, it’s just people disagreeing about a footballers best position. It’s not like they’re failing to reach their UCCA or PCAS (or whatever they’re called now) grade requirements, or voting Reform or something. It’s not like we need to dunk them to check they’re not witches or something. This all seems a bit “wear this pointy hat and sit in the corner, you hopeless idiots”. Interesting historic point. If we trained an AI model to plough through 20 years of posts on here and asked it which position on the pitch provoked most “he should / should not be playing there” controversy, without a doubt it would be full back. By a mile.
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2024, 08:29:22 PMQuote from: Dogtanian on July 30, 2024, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: Olneythelonely on July 30, 2024, 07:00:20 PMNice.I found Matty Cash in the pack.That graph is just full-backs, but Ezri is terrible there apparently.The narrative is Trumpian, so far removed from reality, it’a like they don’t watch Villa play.Not just that they preferred him at centre-back, but that he's 'awful', 'terrible', etc etc. I guess some people just want to see it, and couple of bad days (and everyone, everyone has bad days) gave this meme a specious credence.
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 30, 2024, 07:02:14 PMQuote from: Olneythelonely on July 30, 2024, 07:00:20 PMNice.I found Matty Cash in the pack.That graph is just full-backs, but Ezri is terrible there apparently.The narrative is Trumpian, so far removed from reality, it’a like they don’t watch Villa play.
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 30, 2024, 07:00:20 PMNice.I found Matty Cash in the pack.
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