VAR

[Toronto Villa]

PL clubs voted to keep VAR.

[Baldy]

PL clubs voted to keep VAR.

I thought the vote was due on the 6th June?

[KevinGage]

This is quite interesting
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/liverpool-hit-reality-premier-league-174347630.html

Wolves, the main moaners, would certainly have more points without VAR decisions, but they would be lower in the table

Interesting find, thanks.

Personally I'd fcuk it off, even if we have benefitted from it re the high line this season.

Sabotages the joy that should be felt in the most important part of the game virtually every time now.

The delays and general pissing about kill the game as a spectacle rather than add to it.

Either way, the best solution is more training for the prats in the middle.  Maybe a linesman stationed near the goaline (as per other sports) as well as the current linesman.  Or -to be really radical - a ref in each half of the pitch. Much less excuse to miss anything then.

[Drummond]

Aston Villa boss Unai Emery reacting to Wolves’ resolution to scrap VAR at the Premier League’s AGM next month: “I believe in VAR. I want VAR. The referees need VAR. I want to completely keep it. VAR has to improve as well, but it is fair always. Sometimes they can make mistakes, like me, like everybody. If you analyse deeply, it is completely fair. Sometimes there can be mistakes, but usually it is completely fair. In England, VAR is being more or less always right.”

In other news, the pope is a Catholic.

Spot on as usual gaffer.

Yep. He just talks sense.

I hate VAR in its current guise. We need to change the way it's used and not have referees looking after their mates.

[Risso]

Yep. He just talks sense.

I hate VAR in its current guise. We need to change the way it's used and not have referees looking after their mates.

Unai just said it was completely fair. You appear not to think that at all, so how is what he's saying 'sense'?

[Sexual Ealing]

Yep. He just talks sense.

I hate VAR in its current guise. We need to change the way it's used and not have referees looking after their mates.

Unai just said it was completely fair. You appear not to think that at all, so how is what he's saying 'sense'?

I doubt Unai thinks it's really 'fair', it's just a reflection that he's worked it out better than most managers. And everything is perceived to be 'fair' when it advantages the perceiver.

[Drummond]

Yep. He just talks sense.

I hate VAR in its current guise. We need to change the way it's used and not have referees looking after their mates.

Unai just said it was completely fair. You appear not to think that at all, so how is what he's saying 'sense'?

Well he's right in the main, most checks are accurate and the rate if correct decisions has gone up from 83% to 96%. I just think that if we had someone independent they'd get closer to 100%. And the results wouldn't take so long with slight tweaks to things like offside.

[The Edge]

Aston Villa boss Unai Emery reacting to Wolves’ resolution to scrap VAR at the Premier League’s AGM next month: “I believe in VAR. I want VAR. The referees need VAR. I want to completely keep it. VAR has to improve as well, but it is fair always. Sometimes they can make mistakes, like me, like everybody. If you analyse deeply, it is completely fair. Sometimes there can be mistakes, but usually it is completely fair. In England, VAR is being more or less always right.”

In other news, the pope is a Catholic.

Spot on as usual gaffer.

Yep. He just talks sense.

I hate VAR in its current guise. We need to change the way it's used and not have referees looking after their mates.

I've hated var from the off. Offsides are my biggest issue, mainly the blurred image of the passing players foot. However the main man has spoken now so I'll have to change my opinion.
Edit: Right on cue lol. A blatant penalty was just missed for Southampton and with no var there's no chance of putting it right.

[The Edge]

Just watching the play off semi final and the lino flagged for a pretty tight offside and replays showed he just about got it right. It occurred to me just how easy the linesman's job is with var. The never have to worry about giving those. Even blatant ones can be left for var to deal with. So what do they actually bloody do nowadays? What a doddle for good money.

[nick harper]

Just watching the play off semi final and the lino flagged for a pretty tight offside and replays showed he just about got it right. It occurred to me just how easy the linesman's job is with var. The never have to worry about giving those. Even blatant ones can be left for var to deal with. So what do they actually bloody do nowadays? What a doddle for good money.

I’m amazed how many they get right. I actually think linesmen/women are very good these days. There are a small number of offsides that are so tight it’s pretty impossible to judge as the VAR line drawing illustrates but even then I think they’re more right than wrong - the Liverpool goal on Monday for example.

[Somniloquism]

Just watching the play off semi final and the lino flagged for a pretty tight offside and replays showed he just about got it right. It occurred to me just how easy the linesman's job is with var. The never have to worry about giving those. Even blatant ones can be left for var to deal with. So what do they actually bloody do nowadays? What a doddle for good money.

They still call / not call the offside, VAR just confirms or over-rules them. And they also do call them on the field without VAR when the initial attack breaks down.

As Nick mentioned above, there are not many which they have got wrong for us though. I think all the goals disallowed for offside calls on the field, only two have been wrong. It shows that we have offside to a tee, and that linos are now realising how good our line is and so defaulting to the opposition being offside anyway. We are the new "old" Arsenal on that aspect.

[Toronto Villa]

https://x.com/bbcsport/status/1791492622894412019?s=46

This is the way forward. Coaches challenges. I would like to give power back to the on field refs. If they need help they can get it. But coaches get two challenge a game. But they don’t lose those two if their first challenge is successful. It wouldn’t stay two all game. I think that’s how it will be based on the NFL. But for me anything that reduces VAR taking an eternity to make a decision or scrutinizing every detail will make the game much better.

[edgysatsuma89]

My instinct is that that would be hard to implement in football. If a foul happens and then 45 seconds later, they score, which is a really long time in football, do they go back to that? The point in which they lost possession? The manager doesn't know to flag that foul at that time because he doesn't know at that point that it was going to lead to a goal. It's easy in the NFL because the game is done in really short spurts so you can isolate short periods of time. I just don't see it working that well in football.

[Toronto Villa]

I don’t think the rule would allow you to review a verified goal. I can see it being used when the ref has not given a penalty for example. The coach would issue a challenge which would be send the ref to a monitor. In the end the ref still has final say. If you combine this system with semi automated offside that should take care of most of those. But when a team scores a goal you’re contesting of the ball crossed the line as there is technology for that. But is there something in the build up that would be appealed immediately? I know what you mean as NFL is naturally more stop start but football has become that way now. VAR just needs to become more efficient and less cumbersome.

[edgysatsuma89]

I definitely get what you mean, I just don't agree that football is now stop start enough for it to work. If the incident happens the opposite side of the pitch, how good a view is the manager ever going to have? He will have to have a discussion with the players who were closer to know whether a review is warranted. I just don't think it will be speeding the game up.

Will have to see what old baldy bulgey eyes is planning to really evaluate it.