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Offline Stinkin_Thinkin

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3465 on: May 17, 2024, 10:16:13 AM »
I hope it is scrapped completely. It just adds another layer of human error into the equation. The delay just kills the euphoria of a goal being scored.

Offline kippaxvilla2

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3466 on: May 17, 2024, 10:16:51 AM »
Something I mentioned elsewhere - Derek Mountfield's header in our last game of the 1980s at home against Arsenal. He looked miles offside but it still counted. The fact that it infuriated Tony Adams just added to the joy

I’ve watched that back a thousand times over the years and it was definitely onside.  Winterburn didn’t get out quick enough for them.

Offline kippaxvilla2

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3467 on: May 17, 2024, 10:17:35 AM »
We really need VAR to stay for our high line strategy. 

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3468 on: May 17, 2024, 10:34:57 AM »
If they don't for it being scrapped, no-one can moan again how poor it is.

Offline Simon Page

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3469 on: May 17, 2024, 10:40:59 AM »
I never wanted it, don't like it and would quite happily see it binned. But what would help it in even my hate-filled mind is if they just admitted mistakes, limitations and confusions and worked to either fix them, shrug and accept them, or adapt where VAR is used. Its biggest problem could be the air of infallibility (see also politicians) football chiefs like to promote. It's flawed, but so is life.

And 10-game bans for anyone, anywhere who claims an iffy decision is a crime against humanity. The big titty-babies.

Offline Baldy

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3470 on: May 17, 2024, 10:51:03 AM »
Areas that VAR have probably improved is player behaviour towards the referee, 'off the ball' incidents and simulation.

Without VAR, players used to harass, surround and pressurize refs into favorable decisions. Usually the bigger clubs, particularly at home with their supporters baying for blood. Also, grabbing someone by the 'goolies' off the ball and diving/feigning was probably more prevalent when players knew they were less likely to get caught.

With VAR, players know they are not going to get away with much. The truth is more likely to surface and their behaviour towards the referee has improved. And, unless you are an idiot, the same applies with 'off the ball' incidents and simulation.

I fear if VAR is scrapped, the 'high and mighty' clubs will resort to their previous methods and yet again prosper.

Probably one of the reasons Man Utd are in decline!!
« Last Edit: May 17, 2024, 10:55:34 AM by Baldy »

Offline Holte132

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3471 on: May 17, 2024, 11:03:01 AM »
This is quite interesting
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/liverpool-hit-reality-premier-league-174347630.html

Wolves, the main moaners, would certainly have more points without VAR decisions, but they would be lower in the table

Offline Nev

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3472 on: May 17, 2024, 12:31:38 PM »
Areas that VAR have probably improved is player behaviour towards the referee, 'off the ball' incidents and simulation.

Without VAR, players used to harass, surround and pressurize refs into favorable decisions. Usually the bigger clubs, particularly at home with their supporters baying for blood. Also, grabbing someone by the 'goolies' off the ball and diving/feigning was probably more prevalent when players knew they were less likely to get caught.

With VAR, players know they are not going to get away with much. The truth is more likely to surface and their behaviour towards the referee has improved. And, unless you are an idiot, the same applies with 'off the ball' incidents and simulation.

I fear if VAR is scrapped, the 'high and mighty' clubs will resort to their previous methods and yet again prosper.

Probably one of the reasons Man Utd are in decline!!

Hallelujah!!! Finally, someone has come up with a benefit of VAR. Still isn't enough to convince me it should stay.

Nice one Baldy, perhaps you could have a try with Brexit next? Cheers.

Offline UK Redsox

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3473 on: May 17, 2024, 12:43:55 PM »
I hope that VAR stays with improved application and communication.

Delays in play don't bother me. It's more important to get things right.


Offline Monty

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3474 on: May 17, 2024, 12:44:41 PM »
Areas that VAR have probably improved is player behaviour towards the referee, 'off the ball' incidents and simulation.

Without VAR, players used to harass, surround and pressurize refs into favorable decisions. Usually the bigger clubs, particularly at home with their supporters baying for blood. Also, grabbing someone by the 'goolies' off the ball and diving/feigning was probably more prevalent when players knew they were less likely to get caught.

With VAR, players know they are not going to get away with much. The truth is more likely to surface and their behaviour towards the referee has improved. And, unless you are an idiot, the same applies with 'off the ball' incidents and simulation.

I fear if VAR is scrapped, the 'high and mighty' clubs will resort to their previous methods and yet again prosper.

Probably one of the reasons Man Utd are in decline!!

I think you're absolutely right.

Offline edgysatsuma89

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3475 on: May 17, 2024, 12:52:39 PM »
You know what Baldy? I was in for VAR anyway but it hadn't even registered that players hardly surround the ref anymore, I hadn't made that link. Fair play.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3476 on: May 17, 2024, 01:42:35 PM »
I hope that VAR stays with improved application and communication.

Delays in play don't bother me. It's more important to get things right.

I can't see it being binned because it's still used in European competition so straight away, I presume teams in Europe or with a realistic hope of doing so, wouldn't want to bin it.

But in Europe, the emphasis really does seem to be to use it to eliminate clear and obvious errors, rather than re-refeering decisions which is how we seem to use it.

The length of delays is ridiculous because they're reviewing things where they're really having to drill down into the detail of an incident. If you have to do that, it's not clear and obvious and that's what frustrates me.

Rather than binning it altogether, the application really needs re-finining and I much prefer the European application of it.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3477 on: May 17, 2024, 03:23:03 PM »
Aston Villa boss Unai Emery reacting to Wolves’ resolution to scrap VAR at the Premier League’s AGM next month: “I believe in VAR. I want VAR. The referees need VAR. I want to completely keep it. VAR has to improve as well, but it is fair always. Sometimes they can make mistakes, like me, like everybody. If you analyse deeply, it is completely fair. Sometimes there can be mistakes, but usually it is completely fair. In England, VAR is being more or less always right.”

Offline Baldy

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3478 on: May 17, 2024, 04:25:54 PM »
Aston Villa boss Unai Emery reacting to Wolves’ resolution to scrap VAR at the Premier League’s AGM next month: “I believe in VAR. I want VAR. The referees need VAR. I want to completely keep it. VAR has to improve as well, but it is fair always. Sometimes they can make mistakes, like me, like everybody. If you analyse deeply, it is completely fair. Sometimes there can be mistakes, but usually it is completely fair. In England, VAR is being more or less always right.”

Playing with a high line and having a 'more level playing field' it is understandable that the master technician is in favour of VAR.

So am I, but it does need improving in some areas.

Offline Percy McCarthy

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Re: VAR
« Reply #3479 on: May 17, 2024, 05:49:12 PM »
Aston Villa boss Unai Emery reacting to Wolves’ resolution to scrap VAR at the Premier League’s AGM next month: “I believe in VAR. I want VAR. The referees need VAR. I want to completely keep it. VAR has to improve as well, but it is fair always. Sometimes they can make mistakes, like me, like everybody. If you analyse deeply, it is completely fair. Sometimes there can be mistakes, but usually it is completely fair. In England, VAR is being more or less always right.”

In other news, the pope is a Catholic.

Spot on as usual gaffer.

 


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