VAR

[Baldy]

Keep the video but scrap the off field assistant referee.

Have two extra assistant referees running the line!! At the moment each assistant referee covers the halfway line to one corner flag. They need supersonic eyesight to see the other 50 meters of the line or the far side of the pitch.

Currently, there are too many blind spots. Four extra eyes at pitch level can only help.

If one of the 4 assistant referees thinks the referee has 'missed' a foul, he/she brings it to the referees attention who then has the option to call for a 'replay' on the pitch side monitor. The referee and his assistant can then look at the replay together and the referee makes a final decision.

Same applies to 'offside' decisions if one of the assistant referees has a doubt.

Not perfect but has to be better than VAR.

[Somniloquism]

It should be binned but it won't. They are too invested in it now. The jolly they enjoy at Stockley Park will not be given up lightly. We are stuck with it I'm afraid. If we must keep it I think it needs changing. Firstly I think they should feck off with the stupid lines on the screen and secondly they should cut out slow motion replays because they give a distorted view of what actually happened. If they think the on field officials have made a clear and obvious error send the ref to the screen and show him the different camera angles but only at full speed. He can then make his decision. Also I'd put a time limit on it of say one minute. That's plenty of time to show him replays.

So your argument on how to change it to be useable in decisions is to remove two of the main points for it being useable in decisions.

[Somniloquism]

Keep the video but scrap the off field assistant referee.

Are you talking about the referee in the studio to determine if a football rule has been breached, or their assistant who helps concur? I assume the latter because if the former, are you just hoping the Video Replay Operator knows football rules?

[Baldy]

Keep the video but scrap the off field assistant referee.

Are you talking about the referee in the studio to determine if a football rule has been breached, or their assistant who helps concur? I assume the latter because if the former, are you just hoping the Video Replay Operator knows football rules?

I am suggesting 'scrap' all referees in Stockley Park but keep the video operator. Then put two extra linesmen (assistant referees) on the pitch to cover the areas currently not catered for.

[paul_e]

Keep the video but scrap the off field assistant referee.

Are you talking about the referee in the studio to determine if a football rule has been breached, or their assistant who helps concur? I assume the latter because if the former, are you just hoping the Video Replay Operator knows football rules?

I am suggesting 'scrap' all referees in Stockley Park but keep the video operator. Then put two extra linesmen (assistant referees) on the pitch to cover the areas currently not catered for.

Then what's the point of having the video operator, who reviews the footage? The only option that gives you is to call the ref over the monitor regularly on the say of the video operator.

I'm not sure extra linesmen adds much either, what if 11 puts up his flag and the other doesn't? How does the ref decide who to trust? You could say whoever is closer to the ball but that doesn't guarnatee a better view and what about if it's a cross-field pass and the defender and attacker are on opposite sides of the pitch?

Fixing offsides is simple, just use the automated system from the world cup, it's proven to work at the highest levels of competition and requires fairly minor changes from what we have already to implement.

[Somniloquism]

I know the people trying to "fix" it would rather it is gone, but some of their ideas are even worse. The point of having the ref in the studio is to make a judgement call as a referee. I'm assuming the Assistant VAR is for a majority on whether a decision is seemingly wrong or right to then let the on field ref know, but I could see that additional role not being needed which is why I queried.

Didn't they try additional assistant referees behind the goals 10 years ago? They soon disappeared, partly because they were not needed and partly because they were superseded by Hawkeye and other means.

[Baldy]

Sorry, didn't explain my thoughts very well:

- Scrap VAR but keep video technician available for the match referee to call upon if he/she so chooses to look at replay on pitch side monitor.
- two extra assistant referees running the side lines currently not catered for.
- Any dispute between officials, match referee ultimately decides, and if need be can view pitch side monitor.
- All replays in real speed and no 'offside lines' drawn.

Football is played in real time and not in slow motion. Players do not have the advantage of lines been drawn on the pitch and have to play with the naked eye.

It is a compromise between VAR and no VAR. Four extra eyes. Less blind spots. We can properly celebrate goals if no flag goes up.

[Drummond]

They tried the two extra officials thing behind the goals. it didn't last, because it was a shit system.

[Baldy]

They tried the two extra officials thing behind the goals. it didn't last, because it was a shit system.

I don't propose behind the goals. It's the 50 meters of the sidelines currently not covered. Basically, two linesmen (assistant referees) each side of the pitch.

[paul_e]

Sorry, didn't explain my thoughts very well:

- Scrap VAR but keep video technician available for the match referee to call upon if he/she so chooses to look at replay on pitch side monitor.
- two extra assistant referees running the side lines currently not catered for.
- Any dispute between officials, match referee ultimately decides, and if need be can view pitch side monitor.
- All replays in real speed and no 'offside lines' drawn.

Football is played in real time and not in slow motion. Players do not have the advantage of lines been drawn on the pitch and have to play with the naked eye.

It is a compromise between VAR and no VAR. Four extra eyes. Less blind spots. We can properly celebrate goals if no flag goes up.

I agree on getting rid of slow-motion, it does have a habit of making things look different, particularly in giving people much longer to make a choice than they have in reality.

Lines on the pitch is a problem with this weird version of VAR offside the premier league chooses to run with, there are better options which would solve most of the problems.

I completely understand the desire to want fans to be able to celebrate goals but there are ways to get the decision making process down much further than it is right now. With the amount of cameras available and with sensors in the ball it's not inconceivable to have almost real-time tracking where the position of every player can be measured within millimetres on a delay of seconds. All that leaves is for the system or an official to choose which players are active in play and you have your decision.

[Bully2345]

They tried the two extra officials thing behind the goals. it didn't last, because it was a shit system.

I don't propose behind the goals. It's the 50 meters of the sidelines currently not covered. Basically, two linesmen (assistant referees) each side of the pitch.

That's why the ref basically runs a diagonal up and down to cover those spots. It means the linesman is mostly dealing with line decisions in two directions and the referee can pick things up in these "blind spots".

More referees on the pitch isn't the solution. Applying technology better and quicker is the aim

[Toronto Villa]

Our weekly we got fucked again by VAR conversation.

Ollie foul that wasn’t given

https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1758900489125585279?s=46

Offside that wasn’t

[OCD]

Really is a joke. Seems like we're not just against the opposition but the officials as well. Refs are shocking judges of what's onside and what's not.

[dave shelley]

Something we never seem to hear or read about is: do Villa make any complaints to PGMOL? and if so do we ever receive the apology we're due?

[Somniloquism]

Really is a joke. Seems like we're not just against the opposition but the officials as well. Refs are shocking judges of what's onside and what's not.

It was called offside on the pitch, so even without VAR, the goal wouldn't have been given.