VAR

[Somniloquism]

Once again VAR fannies about for 5 minutes to find clear and obvious reasons to deny us a legitimate goal.

(Obviously, had it been Everton who had scored, it would have been a fair use of technology in aid of justice.)

Even then it was an element of guess work as the technology couldn't pinpoint the exact moment McGinn played the ball.

Spot on. It's always been my biggest gripe with var and I've probably said it on here dozens of times. If you're going to try and be forensically accurate and call offside for a nasal hair then you have to apply the same level of accuracy as to when the ball has actually left the passing players boot. I mean who decides which frame is the most accurate to use on screen? Forward just ONE frame and a player can be offside. Go back just ONE frame and the same player becomes onside. It's blindingly bleeding obvious but it's a point that no one seems willing to address. It is the elephant in the room.

They have to decide on one frame to use for the kicking and then the decision is on that specific frame. I'm guessing there has been as many close onsides as offsides using the same tactic.

[baddowvillans]

How can VAR go back after Sheffield United had regained possession of the ball to a weak "foul" by a player also being fouled to disallow our goal and the in the Luton game ignore a an attacker not trying to play the ball deliberately backing into the keeper - he looks to make sure - and decide that is not a foul on the keeper. I know Trafford isn't looking and if the forward has stood his ground then no foul. I just have no idea how an extra referee and two VAR officials can look at that and decide there is no interference.  I'd be seething if was us and can understand why Kompany ranted

[Somniloquism]

I'm only seeing a couple of shots of that Luton goal on Sky highlights. Hard to see the forward look deliberately on where Trafford is but a major difference is the ball was falling directly where the Sheffield Keeper was and because Ramsey had his arm "hooked" he couldn't get to it, where in the Burnley match it actually looked like Trafford also misjudged the ball and was actually under it anyway so I don't know if he would have tipped it away from the attackers head

[sid1964]

The problem is that no one knows the rules with regards to offside etc.., as the rules are too complicated.

[LeeB]

The problem is that no one knows the rules with regards to offside etc.., as the rules are too complicated.

They were always clear in the past, in this effort to get everything correct they've just made it worse.

[London Villan]

It's like what we are now doing at free kicks, where we have players in and around the keeper - it causes chaos and confusion and should be interfering with play and should be offside. But with the new rules, it isn't.

[LeeB]

It's like what we are now doing at free kicks, where we have players in and around the keeper - it causes chaos and confusion and should be interfering with play and should be offside. But with the new rules, it isn't.

It's like they can only hold one new change in their heads at once as well.

They're all suddenly all over someone tapping the ball a few yards away, but have forgotten about leg snapping scissor tackles or huffing forwards in the air from behind as a result.

[pablo_picasso]

Christ, is anybody else completely bored with the tears regarding the fact that a referee made a right decision, and VAR made the correct decision not to overturn it?

This. Four days on and a couple of hairline decisions still being waffled on about. On talk sport this morning Alan Brazil (who has never forgiven us for stealing the title off Ipswich in 1981) was banging on about the disallowed goal saying it should of stood. Jesus christ it was a close call that could have gone either way and it went our way but not the kind of travesty to still be banging on about four fucking days after. It's almost like there's an agenda. Could it be that we've ruffled the feathers of the cosy cartel, the scab six? So if they kick up enough stink about us getting a couple of tight decisions go our way maybe they can influence referee's going forward to not be so favourable to clubs outside the cosy club? Maybe I'm getting a bit Arsenal but it seems they don't like it up em.

Exactly.

Below is a still from a single frame when a player is passing the ball.



Where exactly do we measure on this, or the previous frame which has equal momentum in the still frame, if we are measuring to the accuracy of a gnats pube on the lines?

I have said it before, & I will say it again, the device they used in the World Cup inside the football that measured when a ball was kicked should be used, if they are measuring to a gnats pube.

At least the baseline would be the same for every decision if that device was used.

And none of this "we cant use it across the football pyramid, so no to Prem either".

They fucked that argument when they started using VAR at Prem grounds but not at EFL grounds in the same tournament.

There was a scenario that looked all too real in the game against Boro in the FA Cup where they made an incorrect call to rule out a goal for us via VAR & then us losing at Boros ground in the replay because they couldn't disallow a goal that was incorrect because they had no VAR in use.

That didn't happen, but like Mings getting injured for the season defending a ball he didn't have to chase while they kept the offside flag down in an offside situation, these events usually do happen eventually.

[Risso]

Exactly pp, I've made that point before. There's about 3 feet of motion blur in that shot, so all this width of a toe nail stuff is ludicrous.

[LeeB]

Exactly pp, I've made that point before. There's about 3 feet of motion blur in that shot, so all this width of a toe nail stuff is ludicrous.

Yep.

[chrisw1]

One we have semi automated offside it will sort all of this out. The fact we haven't is a joke. 

I'd be all for having GPS tags in the back of the players shirts so there's no sleeve / toe nonsense either.  But I appreciate that would give a slightly different dynamic to offside which isn't replicable down the pyramid.

[Smithy]

One we have semi automated offside it will sort all of this out. The fact we haven't is a joke. 

I'd be all for having GPS tags in the back of the players shirts so there's no sleeve / toe nonsense either.  But I appreciate that would give a slightly different dynamic to offside which isn't replicable down the pyramid.

If it was combined with some sort of sensor in the ball to know when it was kicked, it might work.

[Drummond]

Exactly pp, I've made that point before. There's about 3 feet of motion blur in that shot, so all this width of a toe nail stuff is ludicrous.

Yep.

It's infuriating.

[pablo_picasso]

One we have semi automated offside it will sort all of this out. The fact we haven't is a joke. 

I'd be all for having GPS tags in the back of the players shirts so there's no sleeve / toe nonsense either.  But I appreciate that would give a slightly different dynamic to offside which isn't replicable down the pyramid.

If it was combined with some sort of sensor in the ball to know when it was kicked, it might work.

They had that sensor for the ball kicking at the World Cup...

[Simon Page]

One we have semi automated offside it will sort all of this out. The fact we haven't is a joke. 

I'd be all for having GPS tags in the back of the players shirts so there's no sleeve / toe nonsense either.  But I appreciate that would give a slightly different dynamic to offside which isn't replicable down the pyramid.

Why do we insist on taking so much fun, uncertainty and craziness out of football. This idea that we must use technology because it's there is making the game less enjoyable. The logical conclusion is AI refs and robot wars. Football is meant to be enjoyable, fun, unpredictable, infuriating, emotional. It's not a science project.