VAR

[VillaTim]

How about letting CiŁy win a treble unpunished despite all the charges etc

Don't think just refs , open your field of vision

[Brazilian Villain]

How about letting CiŁy win a treble unpunished despite all the charges etc

Don't think just refs , open your field of vision

The problem is that not everyone's as clued up as you.

[Somniloquism]

How about letting CiŁy win a treble unpunished despite all the charges etc

Don't think just refs , open your field of vision

Well I'm only thinking Refs as you made the statement that "It's when VAR make a really bad call that you have to question corruption". Which is also what ChrisW was replying to.

Of course, like your usual MO, your argument is now totally different and encompasses other things.

116 charges means 116 defensive arguments which then means 116 reviews. The FA very rarely make the deliberations public and also has a rule that until someone is found guilty of the offences, they don't apply punishments. So I expect the processes are ongoing and unfortunately we won't know a decision for awhile. Until then MCFC can obviously continue playing and winning trophies.

[UK Redsox]

Given Football's reluctance to take things from other sports, I can't see this ever happening.
However, when asked in this interview whether he'd help with VAR, Wayne Barnes doesn't reject the idea

How would he react if Howard Webb, the former referee in charge of VAR, asked him to consider a role in football? “I speak to Howard quite a bit. I’m a big fan of his as a person and he’s doing really good things.”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/18/wayne-barnes-its-gone-to-the-next-level-of-abuse-in-the-last-12-months-aimed-at-my-family

[Footy-Vill]

VAR this season  in the Premier League
Total overturns: 27
Rejected overturns: 1

Leading to goals: 8
Leading to disallowed goals: 12
Penalties awarded: 7 (7 scored)
Pens for handball: 3
Penalties overturned: 3
Penalties retakes (GK/DEF encroach): 0
Penalties retakes (ATT encroach): 0
Goals ruled out for offside: 9
Goals awarded after incorrect offside: 1
Goals ruled out for handball: 2
Goals allowed after wrong handball: 0
Goals ruled out for a foul: 0
Red cards: 5
Overturned red cards: 0

[Footy-Vill]

Villa So VAR this season
Overturns: 3
Rejected overturns: 1
Leading to goals for: 1
Disallowed goals for: 1
Leading to goals against: 0
Disallowed goals against: 0
Net goal score: 0
Subjective decisions for: 2
Subjective decisions against: 1
Net subjective score: +1
Red cards for / against: 0 / 1

Game: Crystal Palace (H; Sept. 16)
Incident: Moussa Diaby goal disallowed for offside, 34 minutes - AGAINST
Incident: Overturn rejected. Referee rules Chris Richards did foul Ollie Watkins, 90+3 minutes - FOR

Game: Chelsea (A; Sept. 24)
Incident: Malo Gusto sent off for serious foul play against Lucas Digne, 56 minutes - FOR

Game: Fulham (H; Nov. 11)
Incident: Penalty cancelled, no handball by Timothy Castagne, 7 minutes - AGAINST

[chrisw1]

How about letting CiŁy win a treble unpunished despite all the charges etc

Don't think just refs , open your field of vision

Well I'm only thinking Refs as you made the statement that "It's when VAR make a really bad call that you have to question corruption". Which is also what ChrisW was replying to.

Of course, like your usual MO, your argument is now totally different and encompasses other things.

116 charges means 116 defensive arguments which then means 116 reviews. The FA very rarely make the deliberations public and also has a rule that until someone is found guilty of the offences, they don't apply punishments. So I expect the processes are ongoing and unfortunately we won't know a decision for awhile. Until then MCFC can obviously continue playing and winning trophies.

To be clear, I don't think there's any corruption whatsoever in refereeing or VAR.

I do think the Man City issue stinks though and should be brought to a head.  That they're allowed to continue to dominate all competitions with 115 charges seemingly on the back burner is horrendous.  I also think the Newcastle takeover should be looked at more closely, one way or another it seems wheels were greased there.

[LeeB]

How about letting CiŁy win a treble unpunished despite all the charges etc

Don't think just refs , open your field of vision

Well I'm only thinking Refs as you made the statement that "It's when VAR make a really bad call that you have to question corruption". Which is also what ChrisW was replying to.

Of course, like your usual MO, your argument is now totally different and encompasses other things.

116 charges means 116 defensive arguments which then means 116 reviews. The FA very rarely make the deliberations public and also has a rule that until someone is found guilty of the offences, they don't apply punishments. So I expect the processes are ongoing and unfortunately we won't know a decision for awhile. Until then MCFC can obviously continue playing and winning trophies.

To be clear, I don't think there's any corruption whatsoever in refereeing or VAR.

I do think the Man City issue stinks though and should be brought to a head.  That they're allowed to continue to dominate all competitions with 115 charges seemingly on the back burner is horrendous.  I also think the Newcastle takeover should be looked at more closely, one way or another it seems wheels were greased there.

They most certainly were, by the corrupt bastards in government no less.

[paul_e]

How about letting CiŁy win a treble unpunished despite all the charges etc

Don't think just refs , open your field of vision

Well I'm only thinking Refs as you made the statement that "It's when VAR make a really bad call that you have to question corruption". Which is also what ChrisW was replying to.

Of course, like your usual MO, your argument is now totally different and encompasses other things.

116 charges means 116 defensive arguments which then means 116 reviews. The FA very rarely make the deliberations public and also has a rule that until someone is found guilty of the offences, they don't apply punishments. So I expect the processes are ongoing and unfortunately we won't know a decision for awhile. Until then MCFC can obviously continue playing and winning trophies.

To be clear, I don't think there's any corruption whatsoever in refereeing or VAR.

I do think the Man City issue stinks though and should be brought to a head.  That they're allowed to continue to dominate all competitions with 115 charges seemingly on the back burner is horrendous.  I also think the Newcastle takeover should be looked at more closely, one way or another it seems wheels were greased there.

What's the alternative though? They can't be punished until the case has been heard and setting up a case for that will take time, if they rush it there much more chance for a mistake that lets Man City escape on a technicality.

[chrisw1]

Tbh I don't know the details, but if some of these charges date back a number of years I just don't think the delays are acceptable.  If Man City are continuing to frustrate the process then we need stronger sanctions.  They are making a mockery of the system.

[ChicagoLion]

Tbh I don't know the details, but if some of these charges date back a number of years I just don't think the delays are acceptable.  If Man City are continuing to frustrate the process then we need stronger sanctions.  They are making a mockery of the system.

Yes the simple answer would be a time limit to respond to the accusations.

[Baldy]

Can they do a Trump on City?

Instead of one big case dealing with 115 charges, as soon as one charge is ready to be heard, hear it.

Might be better if Man City got fined, deducted points, relegated every year over the next 1 to 10 years instead of one massive penalty at some unknown point in the future.

City would soon get their finger out.

[Footy-Vill]

I keep checking in expecting VAR discussion but it's FFP.
Again theres a specific thread for that.
Don't know what's going on.
I'll put it down to the international break.

And just to remind people who are actually interested in talking about VAR

What will the VAR review?
- Goal/no goal
- Penalty/no penalty
- Direct red card (not second yellow card/caution)
- Mistaken identity (when the referee cautions or sends off the wrong player)

What will it not review?
- Any yellow card (including second yellow card leading to red)
- Any free kick offence outside the box (other than red card offence)

[Baldy]

Sorry Footie, I always get my FFP (Footballs Fiddlers Platform) and VAR (Virtually Always Refuted) mixed up.

[Footy-Vill]

Ref watch
A possible handball, then a foul on Bryan Gil by Aston Villa defender Diego Carlos.
Not enough there for a penalty or a red card
The VAR decides not to award Tottenham a penalty

Dermot says: "VAR Jarred Gillet cleared it. It looked and then looked again and just felt there was not enough there for a penalty or a red card.
It always looks worse when you have a tall player up against a smaller player like Gil, but it was checked and they felt there was no offence"