VAR

[paul_e]

The point that it's not the same game is that it's not the same game.

And? The processes could still be applied in the same way, transparency etc

Indeed, rugby and cricket have worked out a lot of things that do and don't work and the only reason football hasn't looked into it is a mix of arrogance and an acceptance that the sport has lost respect for the officials.

[Footy-Vill]

The point that it's not the same game is that it's not the same game.

And? The processes could still be applied in the same way, transparency etc

Indeed, rugby and cricket have worked out a lot of things that do and don't work and the only reason football hasn't looked into it is a mix of arrogance and an acceptance that the sport has lost respect for the officials.

There's also a suggestion the crowds couldn't handle it. The lack of acceptance in the sport of football is astonishing.
It's a wonderful game but the attitudes despite what they like to claim is often lacking by players and fans alike.

[LeeB]

I'm sorry but Rugby is shite to watch because of the ridiculous technicalities, and football is heading the same way if this nonsense carries on.

There's good reason why one sport is the most popular worldwide and the other is a minority sport everywhere but in a few outpost colonies.

[ChicagoLion]

The point that it's not the same game is that it's not the same game.

And? The processes could still be applied in the same way, transparency etc

Indeed, rugby and cricket have worked out a lot of things that do and don't work and the only reason football hasn't looked into it is a mix of arrogance and an acceptance that the sport has lost respect for the officials.

Or that PGMOL like to hide behind the lack of transparency and accountability.

[Risso]

I'm sorry but Rugby is shite to watch because of the ridiculous technicalities, and football is heading the same way if this nonsense carries on.

There's good reason why one sport is the most popular worldwide and the other is a minority sport everywhere but in a few outpost colonies.

Exactly.

Cricket was almost designed FOR video replays. It stops every 20 seconds anyway, and all the action is concentrated on one player and his bat, plus the wicket. It all happens in about a square metre of playing area, so is ridiculously easy to get right, and is happening when the filders are all moving around anyway.

Rugby is probably between football and cricket in terms of stop/start, but it's not like it's not without its controversies anyway, such as the recent red cards for head clashes etc.

 

[The Charmer]

The difference between the rugby union TMO and football's VAR system is like night & day.

The RU referee appears to clearly make a decision, ask the TMO to check/confirm it and then proceed accordingly. I feel that the ref is always in control of the situation, the game and the players.
It very much helps that any RU players showing disrespect for officials get short shrift.

VAR is still relatively new, but virtually everyone involved seems to have their own interpretation which leads to some of the dog's breakfasts we've seen recently.

[paul_e]

The point that it's not the same game is that it's not the same game.

And? The processes could still be applied in the same way, transparency etc

Indeed, rugby and cricket have worked out a lot of things that do and don't work and the only reason football hasn't looked into it is a mix of arrogance and an acceptance that the sport has lost respect for the officials.

Or that PGMOL like to hide behind the lack of transparency and accountability.

That's the arrogance I'm talking about.

[Risso]

Nev's right though, there's no way you can implement the same video replay procedures, the games and the culture around them are just much too different. At rugby, both sets of fans go quiet when somebody is taking a kick, at football, the crowd goes mental if a throw in is awarded the wrong way, and I wouldn't have it any other way. You get about ten times more excitement and fan interaction at even the most boring 0-0 in football than you do egg chasing, I've been to watch the odd top of the table Northampton rugby clash, and it's been less exciting than most funerals I've been to. It's a nice day out, but that's about all it is.

[Lastfootstamper]

I'm sorry but Rugby is shite to watch because of the ridiculous technicalities, and football is heading the same way if this nonsense carries on.

There's good reason why one sport is the most popular worldwide and the other is a minority sport everywhere but in a few outpost colonies.

I always feel that with rugby, the game itself is the most important thing, and must be protected. People want to see above all else a good game. Whereas with proper football, tribal allegiance trumps every other aspect. I honestly wouldn't give a toss if we won the league by Watkins literally punching a couple in every week and incompetent/biased officials not punishing it. The tears of other clubs' supporters would be like nectar to me.

[RamboandBruno]

The point is the stop start nature of var is here. I wish it wasn’t, id rather go back to subjective decision making by the on the field ref, including mistakes. But its not where we are, so given that, why not screen the conversation like they do in rugby. I understand rugby is a different game and there is a different culture behind both sports, but the idea football supporters can’t handle that kind of on screen action, feels like a much lesser version of conversations about why we all needed to be caged in, in the 80s. 

[Lastfootstamper]

The TMO audio isn't heard in grounds. Not every football game is broadcast in this country. To eavesdrop on any conversation would just be pandering to someone sat on a sofa potentially thousands of miles away.

[paul_e]

The TMO audio isn't heard in grounds. Not every football game is broadcast in this country. To eavesdrop on any conversation would just be pandering to someone sat on a sofa potentially thousands of miles away.

|Every game of top flight rugby game I've been to had vendors outside selling comms devices for a few quid where you can listen in to the ref.

[Nev]

The few Rugby Union matches I've been to are like a social occasion with a game going on in the background, football is pretty much the reverse of this.

I can't speak for Rugby because it's an utter mystery to me in terms of the rules and indeed entertainment but technology works in Cricket and tennis, the latter is fact based which is even better. I'm not opposed to help for refs but VAR will never work because the whole idea is fundamentaly flawed.

It was bought in to satisfy the screaming hypocrisy and juvenile behaviour of Managers, assisted by brainless pundits. And guess what? They're still the same, with VAR their new target.

What a mess.

[HolteL4]

I watched the England vs Samoa game last week and there was a try that went to the TMO that was as close as any of the offsides you'll see in football. Had he put the ball down a micro second later his foot would have been grounded which meant it would have been no try. The TMO looked at the 1st frame then asked for the next frame where he could see the grounding was OK and try was given, this all took less than 30 seconds and this is in a game that is slower and the TMO doesn't have to rush and can take their time, so why VAR takes so much time with offsides is ridiculous.

All this clear and obvious rubbish, I'll tell you what is clear and obvious if it takes an age to check something then it isn't clear and obvious and like with the TMO where if the TMO cant see anything 100% conclusive (not even 99% it has to bee 100%) then the decision of the onfield ref stands.

[Lastfootstamper]

The TMO audio isn't heard in grounds. Not every football game is broadcast in this country. To eavesdrop on any conversation would just be pandering to someone sat on a sofa potentially thousands of miles away.

|Every game of top flight rugby game I've been to had vendors outside selling comms devices for a few quid where you can listen in to the ref.

RefLink. But it doesn't alter the fact that unlike a lot of people seem to think, because they only ever watch it on the telly, the audio is not broadcast via the pa in the grounds.