Tyrone Mings

[KevinGage]

So I’d see it slightly differently. Mings did well under the aerial bombardment towards the end. But I’d say he had pretty poor night from a distribution perspective and that was quite a key factor in them being able to launch attacks and create pressure. With Torres, I think we keep the ball better and face less of the issues we did face.

Both good players, but if we’re trying to control games - particularly against better opposition than Everton - we can’t keep gifting the ball back.

Don’t think Mings’ distribution was any worse than most of our outfield players last night - and was prob a fair bit better than those playing higher up.

Mings is more competent in his perceived weaker area than Pau and his struggles with the defensive side of things.

[PaulWinch again]

I don’t know I thought he fairly consistently tried to force it and we lost the ball as a result. It might be he’s still adapting, but I thought he noticeably stood out.

[ozzjim]

You ideally need them both at times. Had we gone to a 5 at Forest do we lose that game? Mings is on the pitch do we close out Bournemouth at home? I think there's a time when you accept that Mings is a better fit for the occasion than Pau.

[Dave P]

You ideally need them both at times. Had we gone to a 5 at Forest do we lose that game? Mings is on the pitch do we close out Bournemouth at home? I think there's a time when you accept that Mings is a better fit for the occasion than Pau.

Agreed.  I don't think we concede two to Everton at home with Mings either.

[LeeB]

So I’d see it slightly differently. Mings did well under the aerial bombardment towards the end. But I’d say he had pretty poor night from a distribution perspective and that was quite a key factor in them being able to launch attacks and create pressure. With Torres, I think we keep the ball better and face less of the issues we did face.

Both good players, but if we’re trying to control games - particularly against better opposition than Everton - we can’t keep gifting the ball back.

Don’t think Mings’ distribution was any worse than most of our outfield players last night - and was prob a fair bit better than those playing higher up.

Mings is more competent in his perceived weaker area than Pau and his struggles with the defensive side of things.

I agree.

[LeeB]

I can remember back to when Emery first came in, and I felt whenever we'd got teams resorting to slinging the ball in the box we had them by the knackers as there was no threat with our centre halves, which was down to Mings clearly.

Last seasons adaptation with Torres was glorious for a few months but was built on that hair trigger offside trap which negated having to do much actual defending. This season for whatever reason it's non-existent, and as a result it's exposed Pau's weaknesses.

I still think Torres is brilliant but he's a bit of a curate's egg of a cente half and we need to be set up just right elsewhere to exploit it fully.

[kippaxvilla2]

Wild mings !

Not relevant to today's discussion but this was genius from Footy back in the day.

[Somniloquism]

Agreed.  I don't think we concede two to Everton at home with Mings either.

Hard to say. First one came down the other side then Mings would have been playing. Second was an inch perfect free kick into the 6 yard box. He might have stopped it but would have been a tough one for any defender to clear. A couple of chances they should have scored from would have definitely been stopped though.

[Smithy]

Tyrone is a defender, first and foremost, and he does that really well most of the time.  The fact that he isn't at Pau's level on the ball isn't a criticism, not many defenders are that good on the ball - but we do lose a bit in our transitional play when Pau isn't playing.  How many times have wee seen him thread a 30 or 40 yard pass, with pace, along the floor to a player between the lines.  That's not easy.  Expecting Ty to do that is a bit unrealistic.

Having Bouba dropping in to make a three does help a bit with that, as we can still play it around until it's Bouba making that forward pass, but it's not as effective as when Pau can do it as part of a four.

The chance at the death last night that Calvert-Lewin put over, all came from Ty missing a header (it was in the air a long time, too), but I think that was the only one he missed all night?  If that goes in, I'm quite sure Ty is getting pelters on here for misjudging the flight of the ball.

[LeeB]

Tyrone is a defender, first and foremost, and he does that really well most of the time.  The fact that he isn't at Pau's level on the ball isn't a criticism, not many defenders are that good on the ball - but we do lose a bit in our transitional play when Pau isn't playing.  How many times have wee seen him thread a 30 or 40 yard pass, with pace, along the floor to a player between the lines.  That's not easy.  Expecting Ty to do that is a bit unrealistic.

Having Bouba dropping in to make a three does help a bit with that, as we can still play it around until it's Bouba making that forward pass, but it's not as effective as when Pau can do it as part of a four.

The chance at the death last night that Calvert-Lewin put over, all came from Ty missing a header (it was in the air a long time, too), but I think that was the only one he missed all night?  If that goes in, I'm quite sure Ty is getting pelters on here for misjudging the flight of the ball.

He didn't miss it, just miscued it a bit, looked like he was trying to head it out.

[Somniloquism]

Not so much a miss as unfortunately a perfect flick-on for the winger. Although if he had missed it, the everton player challenging would have nodded it down to DCL anyway.

[paul_e]

Lets be fair, he didn't misjudge it, he got a nudge as he jumped which meant he jumped under the ball.

[Hookeysmith]

I was getting frustrated with Tyrone as he was slowing the game down when  a quick out ball was on. There were many times Digne was bombing down the line for a ball over the top against a nearly 40 year old Young and Tyrone opts for a square safe pass to Konsa.

Pau find that ball more often than not.

But... as others have said, in the trenches with aerial bombardment then there is no one i would prefer to be there

[Aldridge Villa]

Thought he was dominant in the air last night but his passing conducive to a little fine tuning at Bodymoor between now and Saturday.

[sid1964]

It will be interesting to see how Ming’s performs against Arsenal - our defense could be in for a tough afternoon.