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Molineux being closer wins it for me.

[LeeB]

Molineux being closer wins it for me.

It's still probably quicker to get to the Ricoh than trying to get to Wolverhampton off the motorway, junction 10 must be the worst junction in the world.

[AV82EC]

Molineux being closer wins it for me.

Agreed. Easy for me on the train as well.

[Pat Mustard]

If we are staying at Villa Park long-term, then probably the option that makes most sense is to somehow get hold of the land needed to upgrade Witton Lane first.  There is more of an option to do a Liverpool style rebuild then, and add a third tier and extended concourses behind the existing structure, get the capacity up in there first before doing the North Stand.  It would mean capacity would never drop below what it is now, and eventually get us up towards 60k, and crucially no period away from Villa Park.

Can't see it happening though, for all of the reasons already mentioned.  With Atairos on board and building their stake it's feeling more and more inevitable to me that they are looking for a multi-purpose venue closer to the city centre.  Anywhere close to New St, Moor St, Snow Hill and the new HS2 terminal has the potential to become the number one entertainment venue in the country - just need to find the land.

[sid1964]

If we decide to relocate - how much will that cost £1-2 billion? - it will be interesting to see who will want to stump up the cash to do that?

[Drummond]

The owners.

[olaftab]

Cov would be best as we can blend in the colour issue on match days easily and it's not so offensive to start with.

[Brazilian Villain]

If we had to share at the Molineux, they might let us put in temporary stands in the corners to increase the attendance. Issue with the Albion is it's 26,000, so no room for all season ticket holders. At least at the Custard Bowl, we'd have space for all season ticket holders.

Leicester should be 40,000 by then. The main benefits to that being, it's a short train ride or hop up the M69, but mainly, it's closer to me.

Croke Park is a fine stadium and would enable us to accommodate all those on the season ticket waiting list, plus it's just a short hop from BHX.

[Beard82]

How important is match day revenue to the mega clubs..

I.e. how many of our problems are solved by having a 60k rather than a 50k stadium.   It feels like the brand, and the success are much bigger drivers of profitability

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Man City's match day income compared to ours is your best comparison. Not a London club, not particularly expensive in contrast either.

We made £18.1m and they made £71.9m. So we could keep a Diaby or a Luiz. Pretty significant I'd say.

[Beard82]

Man City's match day income compared to ours is your best comparison. Not a London club, not particularly expensive in contrast either.

We made £18.1m and they made £71.9m. So we could keep a Diaby or a Luiz. Pretty significant I'd say.

Yeah - but that 54m doesnt isnt because they have 10k more seats? 

Pro-rota that, it suggests that the upper limit for our match day revenue is about £58m.  Maybe thats what heck is thinking - why drop 100m on a new stand / 1-2bn on new stadium for 12m pa? 

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I dont follow the logic/maths.

[Beard82]

so its fag packet - but there match day turn over is 72m - they have a capacity of 53k - so make approx 1,350 per seat per season.  So with our capacity of 42k * 1350 per seat comes to about £57m

[algy]

I dont follow the logic/maths.

I guess it's - how significant is stadium capacity in relation to a club's overall revenue?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251154/revenue-of-manchester-city-by-stream/

Looking at that, Man City's overall revenue is a little over €800m, and matchday revenue makes up €83m of that.  Their capacity is 53k.

Our stadium capacity is 42k, so about roughly 20% less, but then that should mean that our matchday revenue should be in the region of €60m .... but it isn't.  So capacity isn't everything ...

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Why would you compare a stadium built in 2002, renovated in 2016 and undergoing further works now, with one from 2001, 1994, 1993 and the 70s?

They also play more games usually, owing to the Champions League. Last season would have been the first time we had more home games than them in years.

If we rebuilt Villa Park and only at 42,000, we'd still generate more income than the current set up owing to the improvements modernity brings. Using Man City, is helpful to show those benefits at a similar level of capacity and price.