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[paul_e]

It's stuff like this:

Jack Nicholls
BBC Radio 5 Live F1 commentator

It was ultimately fair, just about. It was unlucky and very messy.

It's the rub of the green.

The controversial element is the way they got to the decision on lapped cars, rather than the decision itself.

The ultimate fair decision would have been a red flag and a straight five-lap fight on new tyres.

Hamilton had no chance of holding on this way, but that was unlucky rather than anything else.

That's going to get very tired very quickly because there's no logic to it.

If he had 'no chance of holding on' then the race directors were left with a decision, with 1 lap to go, of whether they handed the title to Hamilton or Verstappen, they made a decision which faoured Hamilton and then changed their minds when Horner asked them to. As he says, a red flag to let Hamilton change tires and then have a 5 lap battle would've been fine, as soon as they allowed it to go as it did the winner was in the hands of the race director and that can't be how it gets decided if they want to avoid calls of corruption and legal challenges. I'll be amazed if Mercedes let this go.

[Stu]

This was the first Formula 1 race I have watched properly for years and years tbh. As far I could see, the result was basically arbitrary and depended on people crashing which totally nullified the previous 54 laps of racing. What a strange sport it has become; Hamilton was 11 seconds in front with 4-5 laps to go, Verstappen couldn't make a serious dent in Hamilton's lead, Red Bull hadn't made a correct decision all race, yet Hamilton ended up having to race one lap on old tires. What a load of nonsense. Asterisk permanently added to Verstappen's championship win in the record books.

It's like being 2-0 up on 89 mins and the match is stopped, the losing side get to make three substitutions and the ref declares next goal wins.

[wince]

This one will go to court. 
Don’t think I have ever seen something this ridiculous.
Utter corruption.

It won’t. It’s what the “sport” wanted. He is an amazing driver but hope next year the rules give us fair racing and no controversy. But max is tutored by that vile ****** piquet who claims to be the best Brazilian F1 driver. Adelaide 94 was as contentious but this was for the ratings, the new audience etc etc.
I’ve already been called a butthurt Lewis fan on sm but I could accept a race win that was well fought. But RB were gifted this by a dodgy decision as all backmarkers should have reset. They were not. From Spa-Francochamps to dodgy decisions in Brazil, the rules have been inconsistent and F1 gets sky more views PPv next year, Netflix gets more viewage of that horrendous documentary. I just feel this was engineered to give a season “finale”. Like VAR favouring the sky 6, it’s just bit shit. Bums on seats, advert revenue etc. See you all in the GT3 coverage where you can actually race

[Beard82]

This was the first Formula 1 race I have watched properly for years and years tbh. As far I could see, the result was basically arbitrary and depended on people crashing which totally nullified the previous 54 laps of racing. What a strange sport it has become; Hamilton was 11 seconds in front with 4-5 laps to go, Verstappen couldn't make a serious dent in Hamilton's lead, Red Bull hadn't made a correct decision all race, yet Hamilton ended up having to race one lap on old tires. What a load of nonsense. Asterisk permanently added to Verstappen's championship win in the record books.

It's like being 2-0 up on 89 mins and the match is stopped, the losing side get to make three substitutions and the ref declares next goal wins.

That exactly how it seems to me - I said earlier to Mrs Beard I don’t see why anyone would watch F1 - don’t see the appeal.  I ended up watching it because it was that of Muppets Xmas Carol. 

Actually quite enjoyed it - until the end - it just seemed massively unfair like you say. 

So now back to my original view why would anyone watch this.

The more money in a sport the worse it seems to be

[Stu]

The more money in a sport the worse it seems to be

F1 has always been drenched in money though and it used to be a lot better than this.

[wince]

Mercedes appealing the result

[olaftab]

It's like being 2-0 up on 89 mins and the match is stopped, the losing side get to make three substitutions and the ref declares next goal wins.

And the team that was winning now has a goalkeeper with his hands and feet tied together.

[paul_e]

Mercedes appealing the result

That was inevitable, there's no precedent for a decision like that and, as everyone knows, it handed a huge advantage to Verstappen, to the point it would'e been the most heroic lap in history if Hamilton had held on, which shouldn't be the case when he was cruising to the title before the crash.

[Stu]

Poll for the thread: Who is more corrupt?

Stockley Park (VAR)

FIA

[ozzjim]

That's the most utterly disgraceful 15 minutes of sport I've seen in a long time. Incredibly, Masi changed his mind because Horner told him too. Max didn't win that championship. He was gifted it. Lewis drove a perfect race and got utterly fecked over by Horner and Masi

[lovejoy]

I don’t understand that at all.  To be honest I don’t really understand f1 full stop

But that just seems to ridiculous.

It’s like in football being 2 nil up - and then the referee deciding it will be decided by next goal wins

Exactly, let’s ignite who’s winning and just have a one lap race off.

[Risso]

I imagine that for a lot of people that was only the full F1 race they've watched all year, and they go and do that. Unbelievable.

[Beard82]

I don’t understand that at all.  To be honest I don’t really understand f1 full stop

But that just seems to ridiculous.

It’s like in football being 2 nil up - and then the referee deciding it will be decided by next goal wins

Exactly, let’s ignite who’s winning and just have a one lap race off.

Fortunately they didn’t go quite that far

[Beard82]

I imagine that for a lot of people that was only the full F1 race they've watched all year, and they go and do that. Unbelievable.

That’s the thing I actually was really enjoying it and thinking - maybe this is worth watching after all.

And then I think - bloody hell - I can’t be doing with that if I actually care who wins

[Ad@m]

Masi handed in his resignation notice with the way he handled the end of that race. He's proven himself to be utterly unfit to be the F1 Race Director.

Shambles.