VAR

[Somniloquism]

I'm not agreeing it was handball at all, just that they might have decided off that unless there was an obvious angle not used. But with no way of being sure they should have stuck to on pitch decision. Bloody French.

[Toronto Villa]

Surely the 'handball' was by Onana, not Ollie?

Different incidents - Ollie's first half disallowed goal vs Duran's second half disallowed goal. One obvious, one not.

I get that, but I thought that Ollie's goal was disallowed because of handball by Onana, and Duran's was disallowed because Duran himself handled. Please don't tell me I've managed to get something else wrong! 

Ollie’s goal was disallowed because Ollie was deemed to have handled as it bounced up prior to him shooting. It was Duran’s goal that was disallowed because Onana handled it accidentally in the build up. The accidental part doesn’t matter in the attacking phase. It would have mattered if it was a defensive play.

[Holte132]

Surely the 'handball' was by Onana, not Ollie?

Different incidents - Ollie's first half disallowed goal vs Duran's second half disallowed goal. One obvious, one not.

I get that, but I thought that Ollie's goal was disallowed because of handball by Onana, and Duran's was disallowed because Duran himself handled. Please don't tell me I've managed to get something else wrong! 

Ollie’s goal was disallowed because Ollie was deemed to have handled as it bounced up prior to him shooting. It was Duran’s goal that was disallowed because Onana handled it accidentally in the build up. The accidental part doesn’t matter in the attacking phase. It would have mattered if it was a defensive play.

So I did manage to get it all wrong. Think I'll just go back to sleep ... zzz

[Brend'Watkins]

I hope the club ask for a statement as to how they arrived at their decision. Has Watkins said anything himself?

[Toronto Villa]

It would have been determined that the ball brushed his arm, however faint and that was somehow enough to overturn the goal. For me, it’s not clear at all and the goal should have been given. Just like if the goal hadn’t been given by the ref in the first place then that decision should have stood also. Not enough to change the onfield decision either way.

[Risso]

Ollie’s goal was disallowed because Ollie was deemed to have handled as it bounced up prior to him shooting. It was Duran’s goal that was disallowed because Onana handled it accidentally in the build up. The accidental part doesn’t matter in the attacking phase. It would have mattered if it was a defensive play.

IFAB rules say that if an attacking player (other than the goalscorer himself) accidentally handles the ball in the lead up to a goal, the goal should stand.

[Somniloquism]

The ref reviewed it and decided it was not accidental enough though.

[Somniloquism]

It would have been determined that the ball brushed his arm, however faint and that was somehow enough to overturn the goal. For me, it’s not clear at all and the goal should have been given. Just like if the goal hadn’t been given by the ref in the first place then that decision should have stood also. Not enough to change the onfield decision either way.

The "mic'd up" ref reviews have stated similar for the poor VAR call for the Bournemouth disallowed goal last month. They called it as not obvious enough that it his "lower then the shirt" so on field decision should have stood.

[Somniloquism]

Just spotted this story of Leicester moaning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cm24l84n554o

Looking at the VAR line, they showed he was onside but ahead of the two players. However I believe the line was drawn from the ball, hence why there was only one line and it was green. Leicester are also the same team where the KC who got them off the points deduction stated VAR will cause court cases. Well go on then, take this one to court.....  it must be something in the water with Forest last year and Leicester in this one.

[chrisw1]

Since when do managers get to choose which frame is used?  Every VAR offside has 2 or 3 frames which could be used when a player kicks the ball, the VAR tries to pick the best one but yes it's subjective.  I haven't seen any other manager demanding their choice of frame.

It would probably help if they released the audio and video of the VAR making the decision as you'd be able to see them choosing the final frame and it would put all this to bed if they have not made an obvious error.