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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: UK Redsox on July 08, 2024, 05:16:01 PM
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Is Marschall to Crewe a loan ?
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So Jaden Philogene is signed for Ipswich
Didn't we have first buy back option?
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Don't think it's finalised yet and we supposedly have 24 hours to match the offer.
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So Jaden Philogene is signed for Ipswich
Didn't we have first buy back option?
Not a buy back option as such.
I think that it was a three day window (expiring today) to match a bid.
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Fucked if I can find the Coutinho thread. Anyway, good night, sweet prince.
https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1811040606644490722?t=OT1abpOT5X7_giqkUZvMMA&s=08
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Fucked if I can find the Coutinho thread. Anyway, good night, sweet prince.
https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1811040606644490722?t=OT1abpOT5X7_giqkUZvMMA&s=08
Not ideal, but about £7m off the wage bill.
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I doubt they can afford to pay even half of that. And we still have him for another year after next season.
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I reckon there's no chance they are paying most of his wages.
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Yeah, the fact we haven't done a permanent deal suggests they weren't willing to pay much of his wages and Coutinho wasn't willing to sacrifice much of his wages.
We will be paying for this, but slightly less than other options.
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Both clubs were originally looking at releasing him out of his contract but it proved too difficult so a loan move was done instead, but he's apparently taken a big pay cut to join them so I don't think we'll be paying him much, if anything.
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Sadly I doubt that's true.
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If he was willing to take a significant pay cut where we were hardly paying anything I think we’d have released him.
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Nobody knows anything then?
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If he was willing to take a significant pay cut where we were hardly paying anything I think we’d have released him.
On the flip side, that would crystallise a £9m loss on the balance sheet.
BE is right, we don’t know which option is financially the best one for the Villa. But the Villa do.
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If he was willing to take a significant pay cut where we were hardly paying anything I think we’d have released him.
On the flip side, that would crystallise a £9m loss on the balance sheet.
Yes, which had to be offset against savings in salary to make worthwhile.
So if we are still paying his salary it’s best to keep that £9m split across two years as there’s no incentive to do otherwise.
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Even if they are paying half his wages, which is most likely being generous, amortisation and the rest of his wages is still a big enough chunk that taking the £9m loss wouldn't be massively more and we'd be free of next season.
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Even if they are paying half his wages, which is most likely being generous, amortisation and the rest of his wages is still a big enough chunk that taking the £9m loss wouldn't be massively more and we'd be free of next season.
Don’t forget the £14m in wages he’d be entitled to if we paid up his contract.
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Which is exactly why I don't believe he's taken a paycut. Which is what I was disagreeing with.
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Tommi O’Reilly off to Shrewsbury on loan according to BBC.
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Poor old Johnny Ray.
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Tommi!
https://x.com/shrewsburytown/status/1817821359369531419?s=19
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Class!
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Mentioned elsewhere, but just tidying up this thread
Josh Feeney to Shrewsbury - https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/august/06/feeney-links-up-with-shrewsbury-town/
Lewis Dobbin to WBA - https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/august/06/Dobbin-joins-West-Bromwich-Albion-on-loan/
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KKH off to Preston
https://x.com/johntownley11/status/1821247766921666714
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My mate just messaged me to say Feeney has pulled his hamstring. >:(
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Louie scores for Stockport
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Louie Barry has scored more goals than the entire blues squad so far this season.
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Great goal as well.
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https://x.com/skyfootball/status/1822312034488156486?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
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How old is Barry now? He looks a lot sturdier than the last time I saw him.
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He was smashing it last season before he tore his hamstring. If he has better luck this year and stays fit, he could have a great season. He's certainly got the potential to play at a higher level, just might take a little longer to develop than would have been ideal.
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The Stockport fan in the WSC season preview said signing Barry was the single most important factor in their promotion last season, which I thought was positive feedback.
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The Stockport fan in the WSC season preview said signing Barry was the single most important factor in their promotion last season, which I thought was positive feedback.
I know a Stockport fan who was delighted that they'd got him back for this season.
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Although, given his potential and cost so far, it would be fair to expect him to be doing a bit better than a season at Stockport. If he’s not back at Xmas to be loaned out higher, I reckon he’s a gonner.
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If he hadn't been injured last season it's possible he would have made a step up this season.
Edit - I guess technically he has made a step up as they were promoted.
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He's just turned 21 so he needs to be a regular first-team player now. And he'll do that at Stockport. He was clearly more than good enough for League Two last season, and I suspect he'll prove to be more than good enough for League One this season. The question will be how much higher can he go? I don't know.
If he's playing, playing well, and scoring, I don't see the club pulling him away from Stockport to send him to a higher level for the second half of the season. More realistically, he'll probably be sold next summer to a Championship club having had a reasonable couple of goal-scoring years at league two and league one level.
But for now, I hope he has an incredible season and is talked about as one of the football league's brightest prospects!
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Sell him and put a buyback clause in it then. We've shown we're prepared to spend a few million if it allows the player to feel at home somewhere and develop into a mature pro.
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This Shrewsbury Town side O’Reilly and Feeney have joined looks awful from what I’ve seen so far.
My mate, who is a fan, thinks they’re going down.
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Lino sousa off to Bristol rovers on loan.
Forgot we had him tbh
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Sousa was on loan in the Championship last season, so a move to Rovers seems a step down.
However, since I probably pay more attention to them than most (all?) on here, I'm not complaining
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... More realistically, he'll probably be sold next summer to a Championship club having had a reasonable couple of goal-scoring years at league two and league one level...
Perhaps we'll sell him back to the Tesco bags for a few?!! - potentially amusing.
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Current Loan Players List 24/25
Championship
Dobin (WBA)
Hayden (Preston)
League one
Feeney ( Shrewsbury)
Sousa (Bristol Rovers)
Barry (Stockport)
League two
Marschall (Crewe)
Primera Federación Spain
James Wright (Real Union)
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Current Loan Players List 24/25
Championship
Dobin (WBA)
Hayden (Preston)
League one
Feeney ( Shrewsbury)
Sousa (Bristol Rovers)
League two
Marschall (Crewe)
Barry (Stockport)
Primera Federación Spain
James Wright (Real Union)
Stockport are in league one.
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Current Loan Players List 24/25
Championship
Dobin (WBA)
Hayden (Preston)
League one
Feeney ( Shrewsbury)
Sousa (Bristol Rovers)
League two
Marschall (Crewe)
Barry (Stockport)
Primera Federación Spain
James Wright (Real Union)
Stockport are in league one.
Thank you.
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Barry scores for Stockport, they're now leading 1-0 at Blackpool.
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Du du der du ....Louie Barry sing the Stockport fans
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Can he do it at a higher level? He looks amazing playing for them.
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If he keeps this form up we're going to have a big decision to make at Christmas, that's 2 exceptional goals now.
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Barry scores for Stockport, they're now leading 1-0 at Blackpool.
another amazing goal
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Two great goals in a row for Barry, looking like an exciting prospect.
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If he keeps this form up we're going to have a big decision to make at Christmas, that's 2 exceptional goals now.
It would depend on who's in for him, what their options are and how important he would be to them, but it could be quite an easy decision.
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At the current rate, he could be well into double figures by the January transfer window, which would likely see him in demand from some reasonable championship clubs. If both he and the club think he's ready for the step up, then great, but he'll be 22 at the end of this season, so he really needs to be playing week in week out - he's definitely getting that at Stockport. Would he get that at a Championship club?
I suspect he will be sold next summer, so the best thing for us is him going up to the Championship, and getting a few goals that increase his value to Cam Archer levels. But for his long-term development, a full season in League One, with an excellent goal-scoring record, won't do him any harm at all. He could be in the Championship next season, scoring regularly, and at 22 still be considered a "young striker".
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I suspect he will be sold next summer, so the best thing for us is him going up to the Championship, and getting a few goals that increase his value to Cam Archer levels. But for his long-term development, a full season in League One, with an excellent goal-scoring record, won't do him any harm at all. He could be in the Championship next season, scoring regularly, and at 22 still be considered a "young striker".
Yup. Smashing that he's doing well, but it feels that it's the difference between us getting £7m or £1.5m for when we sell him to either upper-end Championship or mid-table League One.
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Or he might in time become a member of our first-team squad.
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Players mature at different ages, I'd hate to see us sell him just because he's turned 22. Instead we need to work out whether he's reached his ceiling or whether he can get better.
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Current Loan Players List 24/25
Championship
Dobin (WBA)
Hayden (Preston)
League one
Feeney ( Shrewsbury)
Sousa (Bristol Rovers)
Barry (Stockport)
League two
Marschall (Crewe)
Primera Federación Spain
James Wright (Real Union)
League One
Tommi O’Reilly (Shrewsbury)
Campeonato Brasileiro Série A
Philippe Coutinho (Vasco de Gama)
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Any reason why we are not using Vitoria more? When we adjusted the % owned did the deal effectively end?
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And why do we not have a star performer from Kobe, Japan in our academy?
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Players mature at different ages, I'd hate to see us sell him just because he's turned 22. Instead we need to work out whether he's reached his ceiling or whether he can get better.
Of course, I wasn't suggesting it was definitely time to get rid of Louie - it's just that it's probably best both for the player (and us) that they go while their stock is high, rather than letting them plateau for a year or so around league one/Championship level. You want whoever buys them believing there is "more to come". That's the difference between a £1m sale and a £10m one.
And for the record, I HATE that I've become a fan who thinks this way, the me of a decade ago would despise me. But it's the unfortunate reality of football finances today (and for the next couple of years, at least).
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Current Loan Players List 24/25
Championship
Dobin (WBA)
Hayden (Preston)
League one
Feeney ( Shrewsbury)
Sousa (Bristol Rovers)
Barry (Stockport)
League two
Marschall (Crewe)
Primera Federación Spain
James Wright (Real Union)
League One
Tommi O’Reilly (Shrewsbury)
Campeonato Brasileiro Série A
Philippe Coutinho (Vasco de Gama)
Feeney injured and back at BMH for treatment.
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Players mature at different ages, I'd hate to see us sell him just because he's turned 22. Instead we need to work out whether he's reached his ceiling or whether he can get better.
Of course, I wasn't suggesting it was definitely time to get rid of Louie - it's just that it's probably best both for the player (and us) that they go while their stock is high, rather than letting them plateau for a year or so around league one/Championship level. You want whoever buys them believing there is "more to come". That's the difference between a £1m sale and a £10m one.
And for the record, I HATE that I've become a fan who thinks this way, the me of a decade ago would despise me. But it's the unfortunate reality of football finances today (and for the next couple of years, at least).
It's also the reality of where we currently are. The sort of youth team player who would have broken into our first time for most of the last twenty years is now going to be sold because it's a lot harder to get near to our first team than it has been previously.
If he scores thirty in League One this season and then twenty five in the Championship next season, then I'm ready to believe his career might be with us, but it's probably more likely that it won't be. For him and nearly every other player in our youth system.
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Lino played for Rovers last night in the EFL Trophy against Spur U21s
Lino Sousa - 6
Got in behind on a couple of occasions, linking up nicely with Micah Anthony at times. Evidently an intelligent player from the way that he anticipated the ball when making interceptions. Decent start offensively and got better as the game went on.
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Louie Barry has scored for Stockport, that is three in three this season
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Another great finish. Every chance he doesn’t finish the season at Stockport. Although I’m not sure if it’s already been agreed as a season-long loan?
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https://x.com/trentvilla1/status/1827321038968893926?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
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Pre-assist for Hayden for Preston (from what I can glean from the commentary).
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Barry’s fourth entry in his personal goal of the season competition…
https://x.com/stockportcounty/status/1831678675290616184?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
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Pre-assist for Hayden for Preston (from what I can glean from the commentary).
Pre-assist! That's a new one but in the case where the lad does all the work before some cvnt grazes it to the goalscorer (see JJ and Ollie last week), I'm here for it.
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Pre-assist for Hayden for Preston (from what I can glean from the commentary).
Pre-assist! That's a new one but in the case where the lad does all the work before some cvnt grazes it to the goalscorer (see JJ and Ollie last week), I'm here for it.
Most stats sites use 'key pass' now as a way of capturing that. The sites I've looked at have given those to both JJ and Watkins for the goal.
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Barry’s fourth entry in his personal goal of the season competition…
https://x.com/stockportcounty/status/1831678675290616184?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
He's now at a goal every 78 mins for them this season.
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Moreno seemed to do well at Liverpool on Saturday, up against Salah.
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Barry’s fourth entry in his personal goal of the season competition…
https://x.com/stockportcounty/status/1831678675290616184?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA (https://x.com/stockportcounty/status/1831678675290616184?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA)
He's now at a goal every 78 mins for them this season.
Scored again on Saturday!
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Barry’s fourth entry in his personal goal of the season competition…
https://x.com/stockportcounty/status/1831678675290616184?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
He's now at a goal every 78 mins for them this season.
Stick him up-front with Durán. Best Ratio in England, you'll never sing that.
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I watched the Bologna game last night (saucy in parts) and was reasonably impressed with I-J: good delivery of crosses off both feet. I reckon he'd have give Philogene a good run for his money to be the Bailey back-up, had he stayed around B6.
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Does anyone have any news on Barrenechea? - I checked out his details today and he appears to have only had one game for Valencia so far. I hope this loan works out for him because I think he'll be a real asset next season.
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Does anyone have any news on Barrenechea? - I checked out his details today and he appears to have only had one game for Valencia so far. I hope this loan works out for him because I think he'll be a real asset next season.
Came on for the second half last weekend as Valencia got tonked by Atletico Madrid.
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Barrenechea started for Valencia today. Played 70 mins. They won 2-0.
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Was that him winning the ball back (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYZDtZ7BCvM) for the first, trademark slider?
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Barrenechea started for Valencia today. Played 70 mins. They won 2-0.
Valencia’s first win since April apparently.
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Barrenechea started for Valencia today. Played 70 mins. They won 2-0.
Valencia’s first win since April apparently.
Excellent.
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Barry with a stoppage time equaliser against Barnsley.
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Barry with a stoppage time equaliser against Barnsley.
Not a penalty, either.
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Josh Feeney back for Shrewsbury ,1-1 v Rotherham.
Played alongside M.Feeney.no relation.Sousa,a starter for Bristol R.and Kesler- Hayden,only a used sub for Preston.
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Barry's stoppage time goal
https://x.com/SkyFootball/status/1840129245751734716?t=g4WxdQo4UOZKaintD76IBg&s=19
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"Our" Dobbin nowhere to be seen for the Tesco Baggies at the weekend. How about Illing Jr?
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Didn't get off the bench.
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Josh Feeney scores for Shrews who lead 2-0 at Bolton.
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Who replaced Jedinak as the Loans Guy? Must be a tough gig having to visit Valencia, Bolgna and the Basque Country every few months.
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Iling-Junior got 45 minutes against Parma. 0-0.
Bologna look like they'll be quite tedious in a couple of weeks. One win, one defeat and five draws so far, hardly any goals scored or conceded.
Goody.
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Kane Kesler-Hayden - season loan at PNE.
Played at Plymouth yesterday - he was on loan there last season. I asked a mate who's an Argyle ST holder what he thought of KKH's performance:
"Remember him from last year at Argyle. Not very noticeable today didn’t realise he was playing for ages. Not a premiership player, Villa should offload him in January."
He turned 22 last week - keep or sell?
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Sell. Couldn't even usurp Matty Cash.
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The RB pipeline is clogged-up with Ned and Bogarde (albeit that's not his natural position). KKH's chance never really arrived but safe to say it's gone now.
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Barrenechea scored for Valencia in a 1-1 draw
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A brace for Barry tonight
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A brace for Barry tonight
He's League One's top scorer, with 9. I said after his early season form that if he was on double figures by Xmas it wouldn't surprise me to see him recalled and sent to a Championship club challenging for play-off places. Well, it's almost certain he'll be on double figures, I guess it now comes down to whether anyone wants him to help them kick-on in the second half of the season. He might have an "Archer at boro" style impact with someone, you never know.
The good news is that he's clearly recovered 100% from his bad hamstring injury last season and is showing what he's capable of, albeit at a lower level than he'll probably end up.
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A brace for Barry tonight
He's League One's top scorer, with 9. I said after his early season form that if he was on double figures by Xmas it wouldn't surprise me to see him recalled and sent to a Championship club challenging for play-off places. Well, it's almost certain he'll be on double figures, I guess it now comes down to whether anyone wants him to help them kick-on in the second half of the season. He might have an "Archer at boro" style impact with someone, you never know.
The good news is that he's clearly recovered 100% from his bad hamstring injury last season and is showing what he's capable of, albeit at a lower level than he'll probably end up.
With how things are going I wouldn't be against him coming back and being given a chance to fight for a place with us from January. One of the problems we have (there aren't many) is that we're not making the most of our chances and in particular we aren't getting enough goals from the wide players. He might be worth a look to see if he can have a Duran style impact off the bench in the role where JJ is playing well but isn't scoring.
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A brace for Barry tonight
He's League One's top scorer, with 9. I said after his early season form that if he was on double figures by Xmas it wouldn't surprise me to see him recalled and sent to a Championship club challenging for play-off places. Well, it's almost certain he'll be on double figures, I guess it now comes down to whether anyone wants him to help them kick-on in the second half of the season. He might have an "Archer at boro" style impact with someone, you never know.
The good news is that he's clearly recovered 100% from his bad hamstring injury last season and is showing what he's capable of, albeit at a lower level than he'll probably end up.
With how things are going I wouldn't be against him coming back and being given a chance to fight for a place with us from January. One of the problems we have (there aren't many) is that we're not making the most of our chances and in particular we aren't getting enough goals from the wide players. He might be worth a look to see if he can have a Duran style impact off the bench in the role where JJ is playing well but isn't scoring.
I would say that's probably a bit ambitious. He's stepped up from League Two to League One and thrived, but it's a big step up to the top of the Premier League. I think the second half of the season at a decent Championship club would be a much lower-risk option for us. He'll either have a Rogers/Archer style impact, and have people banging down the door to get him, or he'll maybe find it's his natural level.
If we get a few injuries, who knows, but right now I don't think he'd even get on our bench?
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A brace for Barry tonight
He is on fire at the moment!
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A brace for Barry tonight
He's League One's top scorer, with 9. I said after his early season form that if he was on double figures by Xmas it wouldn't surprise me to see him recalled and sent to a Championship club challenging for play-off places. Well, it's almost certain he'll be on double figures, I guess it now comes down to whether anyone wants him to help them kick-on in the second half of the season. He might have an "Archer at boro" style impact with someone, you never know.
The good news is that he's clearly recovered 100% from his bad hamstring injury last season and is showing what he's capable of, albeit at a lower level than he'll probably end up.
With how things are going I wouldn't be against him coming back and being given a chance to fight for a place with us from January. One of the problems we have (there aren't many) is that we're not making the most of our chances and in particular we aren't getting enough goals from the wide players. He might be worth a look to see if he can have a Duran style impact off the bench in the role where JJ is playing well but isn't scoring.
I would say that's probably a bit ambitious. He's stepped up from League Two to League One and thrived, but it's a big step up to the top of the Premier League. I think the second half of the season at a decent Championship club would be a much lower-risk option for us. He'll either have a Rogers/Archer style impact, and have people banging down the door to get him, or he'll maybe find it's his natural level.
If we get a few injuries, who knows, but right now I don't think he'd even get on our bench?
True but my thinking is that, whilst he's on a high confidence wise it's a good time to get him training with higher quality players and coaches and see how he adapts. If he comes back at the start of the window we can take 3-4weeks to see where he is and then potentially look at a championship loan if the step up is too big.
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Seems unlikely that Barry would be parachuted in as a sub for us when we're flying high on all fronts. I see him purely as an asset we will earn a good return on either next summer or the year after with him playing at Ch'ship level in that time.
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I know Duran just signed a new deal but with him there's always the possibility he's off as soon as someone offers the right amount. With that in mind I'd be looking to see if Barry can step up again to Championship, and then have a proper look at him over the summer. I wouldn't expect him to be a like for like replacement, but if he's a possibility we should be looking at it.
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Goal and assist for Louis Barry yesterday in a 5-0 win.
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Finley Munroe nicely pinged in his first senior goal for Real Union at the weekend.
https://x.com/fef_tv/status/1865465841480761662
With apologies for the Twitter link.
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Wow! Lovely goal.
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That was a beaut.
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That was a beaut.
Yeah, posted a clip of it in the Academy thread on Saturday. Lovely strike.
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Our Louie is at it again. Didn’t take long, scored after 13 minutes.
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As I missed it live, I’m waiting for the replay of the goal at half-time. I’m guessing it was up to his usual standard, as according to the stats, Stockport have had no clear-cut chances.
Edit: yep another banger, whipped into the bottom corner from well outside the box
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Louie Barry goal
https://x.com/SkyFootball/status/1873353579848708320?t=81-oBysgJnB1fIZ_-QC25A&s=19
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Aston Villa are considering recalling Samuel Iling-Junior from his loan at Bologna.
#AVFC are concerned over a lack of minutes and a decision will be made for the next steps of his development
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Defensive howler from Lino Sousa leads to a third Orient goal against Bristol Rovers
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Has Louie Barry already been recalled? He isn't in the Stockport squad today for what I thought was his last game there.
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Injured
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Injured
Thanks. I should have read his thread.
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Apparently, it's a 'slight' hamstring strain? Hopefully it's not a reoccurrence of the hamstring injury that sidelined Louie last season for a long time.....
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Dobbin's been recalled from West Brom
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cn08n5jp77wo
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Dobbin looks as though he needs putting out to pasture.
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Dobbin looks as though he needs putting out to pasture.
Forgot he was our player.
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Dobbin looks as though he needs putting out to pasture.
Had a few minutes here and there mainly as a +80 mins sub
The two Bitter fans i know even struggle to remember a single thing he has done
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We've been generous to Everton with Digne, Dobbins and Iroobunim. Time for them to be nice back. We'll take Branthwaite for £20m
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We've been generous to Everton with Digne, Dobbins and Iroobunim. Time for them to be nice back. We'll take Branthwaite for £20m
Of those three deals, the only one I'd say was generous was Dobbin. We've had great value from Digne and Iroegbunam has been what we thought he'd be.
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Valuing Dobbins and Tim at the same price was being very generous to Everton. One of them was starting PL games this season until his injury. The other was marooned to the subs bench at a goal-shy Baggies team that were as scoreless and lacking in creativity as we were in Spring'92 when we couldn't buy a goal.
Digne in the last two years has proved to be a fine player after a poor start but no one else would have paid £25m or the big wages he commanded with.
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Barrenechea started and played the full match as Valencia held Real Madrid scoreless - until the 86th minute, then conceded 2.
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Valuing Dobbins and Tim at the same price was being very generous to Everton. One of them was starting PL games this season until his injury. The other was marooned to the subs bench at a goal-shy Baggies team that were as scoreless and lacking in creativity as we were in Spring'92 when we couldn't buy a goal.
Digne in the last two years has proved to be a fine player after a poor start but no one else would have paid £25m or the big wages he commanded with.
That first paragraph is just wrong. Dobbin made 12 premier league appearances last year to Tim's 9. So their values were based on that. What each than decided to do with them afterwards is irrelevant.
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I don't think so. A young player's value is heavily-weighted by potential. We think Dobbin might be ok for the Ch'ship and eventually we might make a profit on his performances there. Everton think Tim can compete for a regular spot in their first team.
Put another way, Dobbin was always highly unlikely to play for our first team. Iroegbunam was always likely to be in the first-team frame at Everton given their lack of resources and the fact we'd just bought their best midfielder from them.
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We signed Onana about a month after the Tim/Dobbin deal.
On transfermarkt in May 24 they had Tim valued at £4m and Dobbin at £2.5m that seems reasonable for a swap deal, I certainly don't think it's a big enough difference to suggest that we did them a favour any more than they did for us.
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Sorry, Onana hadn't joined but Everton clearly were selling him.
Tim has a brighter looking future than Dobbin, I think that's a logical conclusion to draw. So if we effectively swapped them at a booked value of £9m as reported, I think it's fair to say Everton are doing better out of it.
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Sorry, Onana hadn't joined but Everton clearly were selling him.
Tim has a brighter looking future than Dobbin, I think that's a logical conclusion to draw. So if we effectively swapped them at a booked value of £9m as reported, I think it's fair to say Everton are doing better out of it.
This is fair but given when the transfers happened I suspect there was a bit of back scratching going on that smoothed the way for Onana.
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Sorry, Onana hadn't joined but Everton clearly were selling him.
Tim has a brighter looking future than Dobbin, I think that's a logical conclusion to draw. So if we effectively swapped them at a booked value of £9m as reported, I think it's fair to say Everton are doing better out of it.
Had a similar conversation with a Toffees mate, who was of a similar persuasion to you.
However, Iroegbunam going straight into (and doing badly in, judging from the outcomes) the Everton XI and Dobbin being loaned out from Villa was just a reflection of the relative squad strength of the two clubs, surely?
So I don’t see the logical conclusion that you infer, but do see that you think Iroegbunam a better prospect than Dobbin. Strikes me that that’s a matter of opinion, not logic.
Either way, it seems to me that they were two bit part players for their selling clubs and were valued as such.
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I just think that Tim should have been valued higher. Everton have trusted him to start games when fit. They didn't think Dobbin good enough to do similar, nor have West Brom since then.
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I just think that Tim should have been valued higher. Everton have trusted him to start games when fit. They didn't think Dobbin good enough to do similar, nor have West Brom since then.
Yes they did, Dobbin had been a regular in the match day squad and had starts last season. So, for Everton, they weren't a millions miles apart in how they were seen. I don't rate Dobbin and I doubt he'll ever play for us but I don't think they've completely done us with the swap, especially when Tim going there gave them a 'replacement' for a player we were interested in. Just to go back lets not forget that this started with the idea that they owe us a favour after we signed Digne, Dobbin and Onana, which is clearly bullshit.
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Going round in circles on this. Everton deemed Tim good enough to start when fit this season. They deemed Dobbin surplus to requirements as did West Brom - a division below Everton.
Plenty of people raised eyebrows at Digne's price and salary at the time. He eventually came good but there's no resale value with him and given he had fallen-out with Benitez at the time, Everton did well to get what we paid.
It's too early to make a judgement on Onana but he's not a first-choice starter at the moment, the way Douglas Luiz was for us (I know he's not a direct replacement) and for £50m, I think many supporters would have expected him to be running the show for us in midfield in most games.
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I hear Enzo was very good v Real Madrid the other night.
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James Wright, our keeper on loan at Real Union, has had a bit of a belter of a game this weekend.
https://x.com/alexfaura/status/1878457248499781655
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James Wright, our keeper on loan at Real Union, has had a bit of a belter of a game this weekend.
https://x.com/alexfaura/status/1878457248499781655
wow bring the bugger back !
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Lewis Dobbin played the whole game for mid-table Norwich in a 0-2 loss away at second-placed Sheffield United at the weekend.
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Eleventh clean sheet of the season for Marschall at Crewe.
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Tommi O'Reilly scored from outside the area on his debut for MK Dons last night.
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Iling Junior got the winner versus Dortmund last night.
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Dobbin scored for Norwich today in a 5-1 win
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Finally!
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Barrenechea not in the Valencia squad for their game against Barcelona tonight. They lost 7-1.
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Gauci on loan to Barnsley
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvg942g3w7go
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Swinkels likely heading out on loan to Bristol Rovers after the Wolves game
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anyone else for this list?
Moreno – Forest (Premier League)
Barry – Hull (Championship)
Iling-Junior – Boro (Championship)
Dobbin – Norwich (Championship)
Kesler-Hayden – Preston (Championship)
Gauci – Barnsley (League 1)
Sousa – Bristol Rovers (League 1)
Swinkels – Bristol Rovers (League 1)
Marschall – Crewe (League 2)
O’Reilly – MK Dons (League 2)
Buendia – Leverkusen (Bundesliga)
Nedelkovic – RB Leipzig (Bundesliga)
Barranechea – Valencia (La Liga)
Wright – Real Union (Primera)
Munroe – Real Union (Primera)
Coutinho – Vasco da Gama (Brazil)
Dendoncker – Anderlecht (Belgium)
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anyone else for this list?
Moreno – Forest (Premier League)
Barry – Hull (Championship)
Iling-Junior – Boro (Championship)
Dobbin – Norwich (Championship)
Kesler-Hayden – Preston (Championship)
Gauci – Barnsley (League 1)
Sousa – Bristol Rovers (League 1)
Swinkels – Bristol Rovers (League 1)
Marschall – Crewe (League 2)
O’Reilly – MK Dons (League 2)
Buendia – Leverkusen (Bundesliga)
Nedelkovic – RB Leipzig (Bundesliga)
Barranechea – Valencia (La Liga)
Wright – Real Union (Primera)
Munroe – Real Union (Primera)
Coutinho – Vasco da Gama (Brazil)
Dendoncker – Anderlecht (Belgium)
Kobei Moore - Fleetwood (League 2)
Charlie Lutz - Kidderminster (National League North)
Josh Feeney - Shrewsbury (League 1)
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I think Kadan Young is going to Royal Antwerp as well
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Did I see Kaden Young has gone somewhere?
Edit: see above. Especially for better spelling.
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Rico Richards is at Port Vale, I believe.
Did we sign someone else around the time of Malen signing? A young guy who was to stay where he was for the rest of the season?
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anyone else for this list?
Moreno – Forest (Premier League)
Barry – Hull (Championship)
Iling-Junior – Boro (Championship)
Dobbin – Norwich (Championship)
Kesler-Hayden – Preston (Championship)
Gauci – Barnsley (League 1)
Sousa – Bristol Rovers (League 1)
Swinkels – Bristol Rovers (League 1)
Marschall – Crewe (League 2)
O’Reilly – MK Dons (League 2)
Buendia – Leverkusen (Bundesliga)
Nedelkovic – RB Leipzig (Bundesliga)
Barranechea – Valencia (La Liga)
Wright – Real Union (Primera)
Munroe – Real Union (Primera)
Coutinho – Vasco da Gama (Brazil)
Dendoncker – Anderlecht (Belgium)
That's a hell of a list, not confident though that many will end up with us.
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Barry is the one you'd be hoping does really well. If we had him as a viable option for next season it relieves a bit of pressure where Watkins is concerned.
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Little Emi came on for Leverkusen in the 42nd minute and helped set up their third goal (in a 3-1 win). They then had someone sent off and he was subbed off for Hermoso, but he must have been good as he was awarded MOTM for his 20-odd minutes.
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Little Emi came on for Leverkusen in the 42nd minute and helped set up their third goal (in a 3-1 win). They then had someone sent off and he was subbed off for Hermoso, but he must have been good as he was awarded MOTM for his 20-odd minutes.
Good for him - always liked the fella
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Little Emi came on for Leverkusen in the 42nd minute and helped set up their third goal (in a 3-1 win). They then had someone sent off and he was subbed off for Hermoso, but he must have been good as he was awarded MOTM for his 20-odd minutes.
MOTM for 20mins?! Was that a sympathy prize for him being subbed?
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I think it happened once at Villa Park? Thinking maybe Garry Parker against Sheffield United. We were rubbish but somehow won, they asked Ron Atkinson if he was annoyed by the booing at half-time and he said "no, I started it".
I've almost certainly conflated several different games.
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Lucas Digne "another one!" gif.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/february/03/patterson-in-mk-dons-loan-move/
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Didn't we once/still despise the likes of Chelsea for having so many out on loan? I know ours are more kids than seniors but still, it's quite a factory we're running.
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Didn't we once/still despise the likes of Chelsea for having so many out on loan? I know ours are more kids than seniors but still, it's quite a factory we're running.
Like sitting in the home end, it's different when we do it.
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Kaden Young gone on loan to Antwerp
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I imagine this thread is going to see lots of activity given all the extra loans we've agreed this window. Good luck to them all.
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Add Yasin Ozcan - Kasimpasa.
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Kaden Young gone on loan to Antwerp
This is one I'm really interested to follow. He's been around the first-team since he was 16, so he's clearly very well thought of. Regular in the England youth levels, and having just turned 19 he's the same age as Lewis-Skelly and Nwaneri at Arsenal who are both making their first-team breakthroughs, so I'm hopeful a bit of proper first-team action might show us his true potential. Fingers crossed he gets a chance over there.
I'm pretty sure Antwerp was the place Man Utd used to send a lot of their youngsters, not sure if they still do?
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I'm pretty sure Antwerp was the place Man Utd used to send a lot of their youngsters, not sure if they still do?
Finished after the Ferguson era, but yes, loads of them went there.
Antwerp is also the current stomping (plodding?) ground of former Villa hero Bjorn Engels.
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It's also the most populous municipality in Belgium, fact fans! Brussels is only fifth! Never let it be said that I don't bring an air of excitement to the forum.
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Was also the location of my stag do.
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Guess we can add Ozkan to list, on loan at Kasimpasa until the end of the season.
To be playing regular first team football at that age is quite unusual, could well turn out to be a great player.
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updated list, and added in the tiers for the overseas leagues.
Moreno – Forest (Premier League)
Barry – Hull (Championship)
Iling-Junior – Boro (Championship)
Dobbin – Norwich (Championship)
Kesler-Hayden – Preston (Championship)
Gauci – Barnsley (League 1)
Sousa – Bristol Rovers (League 1)
Swinkels – Bristol Rovers (League 1)
Feeney – Shrewsbury (League 1)
Marschall – Crewe (League 2)
Moore – Fleetwood (League 2)
O’Reilly – MK Dons (League 2)
Patterson – MK Dons (League 2)
Richards – Port Vale (League 2)
Lutz – Kidderminster (National League North)
Buendia – Leverkusen (Bundesliga 1)
Nedelkovic – RB Leipzig (Bundesliga 1)
Barranechea – Valencia (La Liga 1)
Wright – Real Union (Primera 3)
Munroe – Real Union (Primera 3)
Coutinho – Vasco da Gama (Brazil 1)
Dendoncker – Anderlecht (Belgium 1)
Kadan Young – Royal Antwerp (Belgium 1)
Yasin Ozcan – Kasimpasa (Turkey 1)
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Kaden Young gone on loan to Antwerp
This is one I'm really interested to follow. He's been around the first-team since he was 16, so he's clearly very well thought of. Regular in the England youth levels, and having just turned 19 he's the same age as Lewis-Skelly and Nwaneri at Arsenal who are both making their first-team breakthroughs, so I'm hopeful a bit of proper first-team action might show us his true potential. Fingers crossed he gets a chance over there.
I'm pretty sure Antwerp was the place Man Utd used to send a lot of their youngsters, not sure if they still do?
marc overmars is their sporting director as well. he was a decent winger tbf.
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updated list, and added in the tiers for the overseas leagues.
Moreno – Forest (Premier League)
Barry – Hull (Championship)
Iling-Junior – Boro (Championship)
Dobbin – Norwich (Championship)
Kesler-Hayden – Preston (Championship)
Gauci – Barnsley (League 1)
Sousa – Bristol Rovers (League 1)
Swinkels – Bristol Rovers (League 1)
Feeney – Shrewsbury (League 1)
Marschall – Crewe (League 2)
Moore – Fleetwood (League 2)
O’Reilly – MK Dons (League 2)
Patterson – MK Dons (League 2)
Richards – Port Vale (League 2)
Lutz – Kidderminster (National League North)
Buendia – Leverkusen (Bundesliga 1)
Nedelkovic – RB Leipzig (Bundesliga 1)
Barranechea – Valencia (La Liga 1)
Wright – Real Union (Primera 3)
Munroe – Real Union (Primera 3)
Coutinho – Vasco da Gama (Brazil 1)
Dendoncker – Anderlecht (Belgium 1)
Kadan Young – Royal Antwerp (Belgium 1)
Yasin Ozcan – Kasimpasa (Turkey 1)
There’s got to be £100m worth of PSR saleable assets in that lot. Interesting summer ahead, feels like some of that lot needs trimming.
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Bodymoor Heath will be busy on the first day of pre-season.
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Was also the location of my stag do.
Hope you weren't too pissed when buying the wedding rings the following day.
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Did we actually sign Ozcan?
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Emi’s near-assist:
https://x.com/bayer04_en/status/1886717333571358743?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
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Did we replace Jedinak? That job sounded a piece of piss when he had it, but nowadays it’d take most of your week just to call each player.
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Did we replace Jedinak? That job sounded a piece of piss when he had it, but nowadays it’d take most of your week just to call each player.
He left to work for Spurs.
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Yep, sits on the bench with his big greying beard behind his "mate".
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I think we shifted that responsibility onto the U21s staff so either Tony Carss or someone working under him would be my guess.
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Philippe Coutinho has just annoyed Brazilian Villain.
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Philippe Coutinho has just annoyed Brazilian Villain.
By doing what?
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Scoring against Fluminense, I think he likes them. It's 2-1 to Flu now though. Coutinho went off after 32 minutes so I'm assuming he got injured.
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Scoring against Fluminense, I think he likes them. It's 2-1 to Flu now though. Coutinho went off after 32 minutes so I'm assuming he got injured.
Bloody hell.
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Barrenechea on the bench for Valencia's Copa del Rey QF agaisnt Barca, which they are already losing 0-4 after 30 minutes. (Ferran Torres with a 30 minute hat trick)
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Nice goal by Dobbin for Norwich, flagged offside though.
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Swinkels injury time equaliser for Bristol Rovers against Carlisle.
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Sil Swinkels goal
https://x.com/academyavfc/status/1889570782415634649?t=9BGyl48vqQ6xp37VeI_U2w&s=19
(Courtesy of academyavfc)
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Well done to him.
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Better delivery of a free than I've seen from us for a while too.
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Swinkels came on for Rovers at the same time as Scott Sinclair, who's still jobbing around at 35 years old.
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Barry on the bench for Hull tonight. SIJ starts for Middlesbrough.
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Sheff.Utd v Middlesborough
I've watched the first-half and I can honestly say that Iling Jnr has looked the worst player on the pitch.
I was so hopeful but, unfortunately, he appears to be about one second too slow - to everything!
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I was just wondering about him so looked up the thread. Possible that he’s acclimatising to the Championship [my straw clutching!]?
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Came on in the 58th with Hull already 2 down.
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Pretty comprehensive review on the site here. Hard to tell for sure, but at least the majority seem to be doing OK
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/february/17/leipzig-debut-for-nedeljkovic/
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Coutinho played 90 minutes!!
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No news on Barranechea (sp?). I have heard he’s been doing well, unlike his team.
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Coutinho played 90 minutes!!
on FIFA ??
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Coutinho played 90 minutes!!
How many games did it take him?
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He could still do a job for us yet!
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He could still do a job for us yet!
I think if he could he would have stayed / been kept
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All they had to do was to set-up a deck chair in his own half to make sure he wasn't offside.
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SIJ on the bench for Middlesbrough
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Looks like a bad injury for Louie Barry. The kid isn't having any luck.
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Looks like a bad injury for Louie Barry. The kid isn't having any luck.
Was gonna put that on especially to watch him until I saw he’d been subbed. Gutted for him.
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https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-loanee-suffers-injury-31069988
Another poor sod who was doing well at his loan club getting injured 😢
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KKH looks excellent for Preston (vs Burnley in the FAC) and he has burning pace.
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Has a quick look at Bristol Rovers line-up to date and I see Swinkels and Sousa both starting, but saw a Scott Sinclair in the team, is is the same one?
(https://i.ibb.co/YTXfKWCR/IMG-9733.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YTXfKWCR)
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Yes.
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Swinkels is at it again. Scored for the gasheads.
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Finn Azaz scores for Boro.
10 goals and 10 assists for Azaz.
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Didn't realise Finn was a loanee? We might be able to get some money for him in the summer then.....
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Swinkels is at it again. Scored for the gasheads.
He's a defender, isn't he? Wonder how he's doing in that respect?
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Didn't realise Finn was a loanee? We might be able to get some money for him in the summer then.....
My mistake. Boro bought him in the summer.
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Didn't realise Finn was a loanee? We might be able to get some money for him in the summer then.....
My mistake. Boro bought him in the summer.
I think it was the January before.
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Didn't realise Finn was a loanee? We might be able to get some money for him in the summer then.....
My mistake. Boro bought him in the summer.
I think it was the January before.
You're right, Percy. I'm having a stinker today.
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We sold him for 2p the same window we bought Rogers from Boro for 5p so I guess both clubs can't grumble too much about underselling to each other.
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Walked down the road today to see Filip Marschall play for Crewe against Chesterfield.
Had a good game and stood up well to the physical stuff. Looked really disappointed when Crewe conceded though it was a good shot.
Thirteen clean sheets this season. Looked slightly taller than I remembered.
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Franchise FC (aka MK Dons) have sacked manager Scott Lindsey
Travis Patterson has been there on loan since January - no appearances thus far.
Wonder if he'll be heading home?
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Video on the official YouTube about the 2 lads on loan in Spain. Not much to see in it, but the keeper seems to have a bit more between the ears than Monroe. Maybe that's a bit harsh, but he's definitely more articulate.
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Monroe..must have got the looks of his relative rather than the brains.
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Sounds like Barrenchea is playing well.
"What a serious footballer Enzo Barrenechea is… I already mentioned it in the summer but since Corberan, playing alone in front of the defence and with the space that this current Javi Guerra creates for him, he is a brutal footballer. The two feed off each other."
"I loved Enzo Barrenechea again. The best player of the season along with Rioja. He does practically everything well. He covers the field and has football. Cut and sew. If the #VCF stays in First Division, he has to fight like a lion to bring him back with an option. Very good."
"Enzo Barrenechea, the pivot that Valencia had been looking for years. Extraordinary results this season, but how frustrating that there is no option to buy him."
"I don't know what Aston Villa will do with Barrenechea...but if he doesn't stay at Valencia, every team that plays in the Europa League in the five major leagues should ask about him."
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I’ve seen a few of these rave reviews for Enzo. It would be nice if we had a recall at the moment but I doubt we have. Saw something about us wanting to sell Moreno to Betis in January but Forest wouldn’t release him back to us.
v Osasuna:
87% Pass Accuracy.
46 Passes Completed.
1 Key Pass.
5/7 Successful Long Balls.
3/4 Successful Take-Ons.
8/9 Ground Duels Won.
4/7 Aerial Duels Won.
3 Interceptions.
3 Tackles.
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OCD quote your sources - or are they just plebs like ourselves on Valencia4Eva forum?
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OCD quote your sources - or are they just plebs like ourselves on Valencia4Eva forum?
Don't tell me Valencians are Nazi sympathisers. >:(
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https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-injuries-lewis-dobbin-31112343#ICID=Android_BMNewsApp_AppShare
And another loanee crocked.
That's Louie Barry and Lewis Dobbin.
Unfortunate for them as individuals, but it also screws up our plans in terms of their development and progression - towards either the first team or being sold.
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I didn't want to link to the Mail article.
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Sounds like Barrenchea is playing well.
"What a serious footballer Enzo Barrenechea is… I already mentioned it in the summer but since Corberan, playing alone in front of the defence and with the space that this current Javi Guerra creates for him, he is a brutal footballer. The two feed off each other."
"I loved Enzo Barrenechea again. The best player of the season along with Rioja. He does practically everything well. He covers the field and has football. Cut and sew. If the #VCF stays in First Division, he has to fight like a lion to bring him back with an option. Very good."
"Enzo Barrenechea, the pivot that Valencia had been looking for years. Extraordinary results this season, but how frustrating that there is no option to buy him."
"I don't know what Aston Villa will do with Barrenechea...but if he doesn't stay at Valencia, every team that plays in the Europa League in the five major leagues should ask about him."
My guess: he will come back as replacement for Kamara, whom we will cash in for loads of dosh.
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My guess: he will come back as replacement for Kamara, whom we will cash in for loads of dosh.
I bloody hope not.
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We wouldn't get anywhere near what Kamara is potentially worth due to his injury record. I think he's the player I'd least want to sell.
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We wouldn't get anywhere near what Kamara is potentially worth due to his injury record. I think he's the player I'd least want to sell.
He’s the least replaceable as we would find it so hard to find anyone of that quality.
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My guess would be that he'll be Barkley's eventual replacement with Onana and Tielemans being the 2 8's and Kamara and Barrenchea being the 2 6's. McGinn and Bogarde able to cover in the centre but also elsewhere.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think I've seen Kamara linked with other clubs, not in the same way there's always rumours about Watkins, Martinez, Duran etc .
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Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think I've seen Kamara linked with other clubs, not in the same way there's always rumours about Watkins, Martinez, Duran etc .
Might be the only blessing about all the injuries. Luiz took a lot of the credit initially until Kamara got injured. He comes back, and just as he’s back to Rhodri’s level he’s shifted to CB to cover injuries. …then gets injured himself.
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My guess would be that he'll be Barkley's eventual replacement with Onana and Tielemans being the 2 8's and Kamara and Barrenchea being the 2 6's. McGinn and Bogarde able to cover in the centre but also elsewhere.
That's what I'd do. I think we clearly need an alternative to Bouba and Enzo looks ideal for it.
Let Cash go and repalce with KKH and Bailey go and find a replacement and I think we'll be in a good place for next season.
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Sounds like Barrenchea is playing well.
"What a serious footballer Enzo Barrenechea is… I already mentioned it in the summer but since Corberan, playing alone in front of the defence and with the space that this current Javi Guerra creates for him, he is a brutal footballer. The two feed off each other."
"I loved Enzo Barrenechea again. The best player of the season along with Rioja. He does practically everything well. He covers the field and has football. Cut and sew. If the #VCF stays in First Division, he has to fight like a lion to bring him back with an option. Very good."
"Enzo Barrenechea, the pivot that Valencia had been looking for years. Extraordinary results this season, but how frustrating that there is no option to buy him."
"I don't know what Aston Villa will do with Barrenechea...but if he doesn't stay at Valencia, every team that plays in the Europa League in the five major leagues should ask about him."
My guess: he will come back as replacement for Kamara, whom we will cash in for loads of dosh.
My guess is he'll be the short-medium term replacement for SJM playing alongside/slightly in front of Kamara. By all accounts he's having a great season and there won't be a shortage of clubs interested in him.
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His club aren't having a great season, are they? I'd imagine it says a lot about him if he's looking good in a crap team.
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His club aren't having a great season, are they? I'd imagine it says a lot about him if he's looking good in a crap team.
Valencia are in the last relegation spot, a point in front of the team below, on the same points as the team above them and 3 behind another two teams, so it’s quite tight in the relegation scrap.
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Shrewsbury v Bristol Rovers on Sky Sports+ in the ‘on loan centre half derby’
Feeney and Swinkels both starting
Lino on the bench
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Shrewsbury v Bristol Rovers on Sky Sports+ in the ‘on loan centre half derby’
Feeney and Swinkels both starting
Lino on the bench
That'll be uncomfortable for the subs.
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Sounds like Barrenchea is playing well.
"What a serious footballer Enzo Barrenechea is… I already mentioned it in the summer but since Corberan, playing alone in front of the defence and with the space that this current Javi Guerra creates for him, he is a brutal footballer. The two feed off each other."
"I loved Enzo Barrenechea again. The best player of the season along with Rioja. He does practically everything well. He covers the field and has football. Cut and sew. If the #VCF stays in First Division, he has to fight like a lion to bring him back with an option. Very good."
"Enzo Barrenechea, the pivot that Valencia had been looking for years. Extraordinary results this season, but how frustrating that there is no option to buy him."
"I don't know what Aston Villa will do with Barrenechea...but if he doesn't stay at Valencia, every team that plays in the Europa League in the five major leagues should ask about him."
My guess: he will come back as replacement for Kamara, whom we will cash in for loads of dosh.
My guess is he'll be the short-medium term replacement for SJM playing alongside/slightly in front of Kamara. By all accounts he's having a great season and there won't be a shortage of clubs interested in him.
I think you're probably right. My only concern about Kamara related to the financial situation; certainly not any reflection on him as a player. Keeping him fit will mean we have a good season next; he's as important to us as that.
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Swinkles doing well again for Bristol.
Sil Swinkels then helped keep the lead intact three minutes later as the on-loan Aston Villa defender rushed back to clear the ball off the line, after Dion Charles' shot looped off Pirates goalkeeper Jed Ward and towards the goal.
Barrenechea got the assist for Valencia's winner against Valladolid.
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Shrewsbury v Bristol Rovers on Sky Sports+ in the ‘on loan centre half derby’
Feeney and Swinkels both starting
Lino on the bench
That'll be uncomfortable for the subs.
Especially if he keeps getting his flag out and flaps it up and down all the time.
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The assist is at 2:35
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The assist is at 2:35
Really nice chipped pass, that.
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The assist is at 2:35
Beautiful.
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More highlights from Enzo’s MOTM performance:
https://x.com/avfcstatto/status/1898817738212024719?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
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Might get him a move up the foodchain to Betis or someone in the summer. I'd be surprised if he ever becomes a pure Villan.
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The speculation is that Monchi was over there arranging for Valencia to have him for another season.